Cuāuhtemōc
Banned
Yes, if China isn't a unified state, it will be colonized easily like India...![]()
That's kind of hard without a very early point of divergence.
Yes, if China isn't a unified state, it will be colonized easily like India...![]()
I mean open imperialism to the Chinese, which I don't think was quite how it worked, clear cut wise, in OTL.
Anyway, look, you need to screw Europe already.![]()
I think the 30 years war and Dark Ages deserve an honourable mention.We've got Europe screws. They were called WWI and II![]()
India wasn't 'easy'.Yes, if China isn't a unified state, it will be colonized easily like India...![]()
I think the 30 years war and Dark Ages deserve an honourable mention.
You mean the Dark Ages that were the late years of the Roman Empire?I think the 30 years war and Dark Ages deserve an honourable mention.
We've got Europe screws. They were called WWI and II![]()
And the Punic wars, Black Plague, and the ever memorable Vikings. The step invasions were pretty bad too. Also, I think that just about everything going on in Europe as I'm writng this counts as a Europe screwWoe to the sons of Rome.
Europeans came from AfricaCounterbalancing all of that is every single superpower until the United States coming from Europe. Every major Empire, from Spanish, to British, and even the Communist Empire, if we're counting that, originated from Europe.
And really, the two World Wars shows what it took to knock Europe from the position of the most powerful continent in the world. Even with that, it gave birth to the country with current superpower status, the United States.
For the Black Plague, that really didn't seem to slow it down, and the Vikings were still a power in Europe. No, I don't count events that still leave a European country as top dog.
My point? Europe, as a continent, has had more influence than all the others combined on modern society. I want a TL that changes that. That means no British or Spanish Empires. Maybe no Roman Empire if possible.
Europeans came from Africa.
EDIT: And Indo-Europeans came from northwestern Asia
How about this:
1. Wank the Taiping Rebellion a good bit until Qing authority starts to collapse entirely.
2. Having Taiping forces move on the coastal cities, scaring people a lot.
3. Have Westerners organize the defense of these cities and keep them out of Taiping hands. Basically what the army that became the "Ever Victorious Army" did to keep the Taiping out of Shanghai writ larger.
4. Taiping retreat to Nanjiang and hold a lot of the interior but with various rebellions against their rule that keep them too busy to hit the coast again.
5. Westerners solidify control of coastal cities.
6. Taiping collapses leaving a big fat power vacuum.
7. Various rebels and warlords take over bits of China and the Westerners don't feel like recognizing any of their authority (even nominally) over the various ports that are now in European hands.
8. Various local governments ally with various European governments.
That should do it, at least for a while.
I think the 30 years war and Dark Ages deserve an honourable mention.
Why bother? The system of commercial imperialism was much cheaper and more efficient. Make sure trading rights are maintained, ensure that Chinese officials who make trouble for westerners are smacked down and just hang on to the coastal concessions and profit.
How about this:
1. Wank the Taiping Rebellion a good bit until Qing authority starts to collapse entirely.
2. Having Taiping forces move on the coastal cities, scaring people a lot.
3. Have Westerners organize the defense of these cities and keep them out of Taiping hands. Basically what the army that became the "Ever Victorious Army" did to keep the Taiping out of Shanghai writ larger.
4. Taiping retreat to Nanjiang and hold a lot of the interior but with various rebellions against their rule that keep them too busy to hit the coast again.
5. Westerners solidify control of coastal cities.
6. Taiping collapses leaving a big fat power vacuum.
7. Various rebels and warlords take over bits of China and the Westerners don't feel like recognizing any of their authority (even nominally) over the various ports that are now in European hands.
8. Various local governments ally with various European governments.
That should do it, at least for a while.
Yes, basically anything after the good emperors from the sounds of things.You mean the Dark Ages that were the late years of the Roman Empire?![]()