Colonialsim in africa with 1848 POD

archaeogeek

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Probably not at all, great powers in Europe as is had little effects, the two factors that will influence how it happens are
- Widespread use of quinine: most of Africa's coasts are malarial zones, and prior to widespread use of quinine, europeans would die in droves there; at that point in time it's only in common use in Italy and South America.
- Military technology: prior to the introduction of breechloaders and machine guns, fighting in Africa wouldn't involve much of a technological advantage: a lot of african countries on the coast already use muskets and the like
A third factor is influenced by the great powers:
- Willingness to do so: the scramble for Africa ultimately only happened because some great powers started to claim areas further inland and then everyone was worried the other powers would try to take over the whole lot: if there had been any willingness for France and Britain to grap all they could before that, they would have already done so over a much larger part of the continent, as it stands, a lot of their respective claims were not recognised by the population before the 20th century. Unified germany doesn't change any of these factors.
But it's purely dependent on the other two. Also, until the mid 19th century, Peru has a worldwide monopoly on Quinine.
 
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Probably not at all, great powers in Europe as is had little effects, the two factors that will influence how it happens are
- Widespread use of quinine: most of Africa's coasts are malarial zones, and prior to widespread use of quinine,
- Military technology: prior to the introduction of breechloaders and machine guns, fighting in Africa wouldn't involve much of a technological advantage: a lot of african countries on the coast already use muskets and the like
A third factor is influenced by the great powers:
- Willingness to do so: the scramble for Africa ultimately only happened because some great powers started to claim areas further inland and then everyone was worried the other powers would try to take over the whole lot: if there had been any willingness for France and Britain to grap all they could before that, they would have already done so over a much larger part of the continent, as it stands, a lot of their respective claims were not recognised by the population before the 20th century. Unified germany doesn't change any of these factors.
But it's purely dependent on the other two. Also, until the mid 19th century, Peru has a worldwide monopoly on Quinine.
Do you know what each country would try to gain (ex Britain wanted Cape to Cairo)?
 
Do you know what each country would try to gain (ex Britain wanted Cape to Cairo)?

Well, the basic aims when the scramble got going were roughly as follows:

Britain- Rhodes got the government going for Cape to Cairo
France-Wanted to link Algeria and Senegal with French Somaliland (Djibouti). Led to the Fashoda crisis over ownership of the Sudan.
Portugal-The land between Angola and Mozambique
Germany-Pretty much everything between Cameroon and Tanzania (MittleAfrika). The Congo in particular.
Italy-Libya, the Horn of Africa and whatever else they could get.
Spain-Secure the odd bits they had left over from the Empire
Belgium-Were content with the Congo, and didn't really want that.
 

archaeogeek

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Well, the basic aims when the scramble got going were roughly as follows:


Belgium-Were content with the Congo, and didn't really want that.

And the rest of the world was, too, until they realized what they'd done by letting Leopold keep it, even by the standards of the time: the Congo basin was basically land everyone wanted and nobody wanted to see the others get, so from a geostrategic standpoint, "let's make Belgium a buffer state on two continents" made sense.
 
I assume this is a Großdeutschland we're talking about here. If Britain sees Germany as the greater threat in Europe then the British wouldn't cooperate with Germany against France thus preventing the Germans from getting leverage in East Africa and the British would continue it's informal rule over Zanzibar which would expand to cover at least Kenya, Tanzania, Malawi, Southern Somalia, Tippu Tip's domain, and parts of Zambia while Egypt could continue to be an independent nation/Ottoman vassell/whatever.

Straha also gave me some pretty cool ideas over at CF.net but unfortunately they were deleted. :(
 
As already mentioned, the scramble began when the powers (mainly Britain & France) began to worry that if they didn't claim it the other would. If you slowdown the frenzy or add a third power (an early Germany) things could really change.
In the first case if you keep Britain & France from rushing, you could see a :confused:britain content with having control over Egypt, an outlet to east Africa (Kenya) and the Cape without the need for a Cape to Cairo claim. This could help Portugal get more inner Africa and join Angola w/ Mozambique.
Germany could also do better in the interior if it is an early player. But they would.likely still run into trouble w/ France at some point.
And the Congo is still upfor grabs.and competition.
 
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