Cold War with a pro-Empire US policy.

Susano

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Soooo... in order to refute my point about pre-WW1 Germany having a larger economy than GB, you cite sources about the USA? Allright then:rolleyes:
 

flaja

Banned
What? Economic growth does not come from building unrelated infrastructure and programs. In order to construct said infrastructure and programs, you must possess a strong economic base to start with. Obviously, Germany did. Ever since Germany was formed it pretty much had an excellent economic base to jump off of, even after horrible defeats and setbacks like WW1 and WW2. Being defeated by America has nothing to do with Germany's success.

So the Nazis’ Volkswagon factories that built tanks and not Volkswagons didn’t have a military purpose?

The Nazi expansion of the Autobahn didn’t have a military purpose?

What about all of the aircraft and battleships and U-boats that the Nazis built?
 

Susano

Banned
If I am wrong, tell me how. Germany’s entire economy post 1932 was aimed at fighting World War II.

Post 1932?
Well, anyways, of course it got directed towards arment and war efforts. But yo u cant direct an economy towards military means if said economy is not up for it! Yes, in good Keynesian manner the Nazi regime did tacjkle the unemployment problem with public investment, which mostly had the form of defense projects (but it gt helped massivyl b the fact that the economcial crisis at this point was becoming better anyways). However, even for that the industrial and economicla base already had to be in place - and in was in Germany, it just was hindered all the time by things like reperations, the Ruhr occupation and Versailles restrictions (which also did restriuct the German civilian economy).
 

flaja

Banned
Soooo... in order to refute my point about pre-WW1 Germany having a larger economy than GB, you cite sources about the USA? Allright then:rolleyes:

According to the 2002 Grolier Multimedia Encyclopedia “The Franco-Prussian War of 1870-71 had left Germany the most powerful nation of Continental Europe.” So Great Britain was still the most powerful nation in Europe.

http://www.adam-matthew-publications.co.uk/collections_az/firstww1-07/description.aspx

The relative sizes of the German and British economies became very apparent as World War I progressed. 83% of Germany’s public spending went to the war effort. In Britain this figure was only 62%. So, either Britain fought a smaller war than Germany did (which is doubtful) or Britain had a larger overall public budget and thus didn’t need to as much of it on the war. A larger public budget implies a larger economy.

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:VejybO-GBvEJ:www.ieis.lu/books/britain/kern.PDF+britain+germany+economic+output+%22world+war%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=35&gl=us

Great Britain had the largest economy in the world in 1850. And it was still producing 40% of the world’s exported trade goods in the second half of the 19th century.

In terms of per-capita GDP Great Britain was ahead of the U.S. and the U.S. was ahead of Germany in 1900 and Britain would remain ahead of Germany for the first half of the 20th century.

Beginning in 1870 Great Britain’s GDP output per hour of labor worked was the highest in the world and it remained the highest in the world until 1950.

Now, what have you produced to show that Germany’s economy was larger than Britain’s?
 

flaja

Banned
Post 1932?
Well, anyways, of course it got directed towards arment and war efforts. But yo u cant direct an economy towards military means if said economy is not up for it! Yes, in good Keynesian manner the Nazi regime did tacjkle the unemployment problem with public investment, which mostly had the form of defense projects (but it gt helped massivyl b the fact that the economcial crisis at this point was becoming better anyways).

How so?

Hitler’s armaments programs ended the Great Depression in Germany. The Great Depression did not get better on its own.

The GDP of the U.S. was as high in 1937 as it had been in 1928- the last full year before the Great Depression hit. But the unemployment rate in the U.S. for 1937 was over 10%. The Great Depression in the U.S. did not end until December 7, 1941.

However, even for that the industrial and economicla base already had to be in place - and in was in Germany, it just was hindered all the time by things like reperations, the Ruhr occupation and Versailles restrictions (which also did restriuct the German civilian economy).

The French had left the Ruhr in 1930, before Hitler became Chancellor and by the time Hitler took power Germany’s reparations payments had been re-negotiated- and even without renegotiation they were never more than Germany could have afforded.
 

Susano

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Now, what have you produced to show that Germany’s economy was larger than Britain’s?
Nothing,m but neither have you. And Im too lazy to go search anyways. Couple of points about your sources though: First, politcial and economical might are different, and second 1871 is not 1914. In 1871, Britains economy still was larger than Germanys, and really, who could have called even an united Germany more powerful than the British Empire? So that makes sense to rank Germany only strongest on the continent, but it says nothing about its comparative 1914 economy.

Also, being a somewhat loose federation, the German Imperial Governemnt actually during its whole time did have problems to raise funds. So they might even have a smaller budget, but due to financial policy and politcial structures, and not economcial concerns. Though I also do think that Britain, mainly involved through an expeditioary force, would also spend less on the war than Germany.

How so?

Hitler’s armaments programs ended the Great Depression in Germany. The Great Depression did not get better on its own.[/quote9
It did. Thats the nature of economy, economcial cycles. In the ealry 30s (that is, beofre Hitler took over), German unemployment and GDP actually did get better again. It wasnt over yet, but, yeah, it got better, the downpoint of teh cycle had been reached.

The French had left the Ruhr in 1930, before Hitler became Chancellor and by the time Hitler took power Germany’s reparations payments had been re-negotiated- and even without renegotiation they were never more than Germany could have afforded.
But enough to severly hurt the economy, as said also coupled with Versailles restrictions Hitler ignored - and on that he did good. And yes the Ruhr Occupation already was over, but thats what Im saying - the economy also already was getting better again.
 
And the "Peaceful British" Empire that used atrocities in the Mau-Mau uprising?


So? All nations have committed atrocities. America in the Phillipines and Vietnam, Germany in Europe and Namibia, France in Algeria, Spain in...lots of places.

Starviking
 

flaja

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Nothing,m but neither have you.

How so? Have you even read what I’ve posted? The fact that as late as 1900 Britain’s exports accounted for 40% of the world’s total shows that its economy was larger than Germany’s.
 
How so? Have you even read what I’ve posted? The fact that as late as 1900 Britain’s exports accounted for 40% of the world’s total shows that its economy was larger than Germany’s.

No, you just proved that Britain was a large colonial power in terms of exports. You did nothing to prove that Britain had a superior economy than Germany.
 
This thread is just dumb. People being better off because the British Empire took over? The USA needing to have run herd over Germany and Japan instead of letting them become "threats" to its security? A massive independence movement in Puerto Rico? Where do people in this day and age keep coming up with this moonshine?
 
This thread is just dumb. People being better off because the British Empire took over? The USA needing to have run herd over Germany and Japan instead of letting them become "threats" to its security? A massive independence movement in Puerto Rico? Where do people in this day and age keep coming up with this moonshine?

It's pretty much just Flaja who's saying that stuff. I expect him to be banned quickly if he steps it up.
 

flaja

Banned
No, you just proved that Britain was a large colonial power in terms of exports. You did nothing to prove that Britain had a superior economy than Germany.

How can you export something if you don’t have the industrial base to produce the exported products and build the ships that carry these products around the globe?
 

flaja

Banned
It's pretty much just Flaja who's saying that stuff. I expect him to be banned quickly if he steps it up.

So this board is not in favor of freedom of speech? What about Vladimir, who in another thread has blamed the Jews for all of the current turmoil in the Middle East? Will he be banned as well?
 
This is an internet messageboard, not a constitutional republic. The US Bill of Rights doesn't apply here. :rolleyes:
 

HJ Tulp

Donor
Dunno about the other colonial empires but making the US not support the ex-collaborator Soekarno would practically be enough to ensure a United States of Indonesia instead of the creation of a new imperialistic power.
 
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