Cold War alternative mini-scenarios thread

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Good points but if the main purpose of these troops is simply garrisoning Eastern Europe and not taking offensive against NATO , I don’t see how that will change things
From the Soviet POV, if they really believed that NATO might come east, how long would it take USAEUR, BAOR and the Bundesheer to blow through the crappy reserve formations and how far across Poland will they be before the first Cat A divisions can get into the line in front of them from their stations on the Chinese border?
 
From the Soviet POV, if they really believed that NATO might come east, how long would it take USAEUR, BAOR and the Bundesheer to blow through the crappy reserve formations and how far across Poland will they be before the first Cat A divisions can get into the line in front of them from their stations on the Chinese border?
If NATO invades that automatically triggers the IRBM nukes so that’s the ultimate deterrent
 
If NATO invades that automatically triggers the IRBM nukes so that’s the ultimate deterrent
If their automatic response to NATO going east was to launch nukes before they even get to the Polish/Soviet border then they wouldn't have needed an army in East Germany at all. I don't think the Soviets get into a nuclear war with NATO for Poland any more than the US or UK are launching nukes over West Germany (although France might once they reach the Rhine), Turkey or Greece.
 
A mini-scenario often overlooked: What if the Soviet Navy improved the Yak-38 VTOL? Would this mean better Soviet naval aviation which would be later carried on to the Russian Navy or even the newly-independent Ukrainian Navy?

Or what if Ukraine did not sell the Varyag aircraft carrier to China?
 
If their automatic response to NATO going east was to launch nukes before they even get to the Polish/Soviet border then they wouldn't have needed an army in East Germany at all. I don't think the Soviets get into a nuclear war with NATO for Poland any more than the US or UK are launching nukes over West Germany (although France might once they reach the Rhine), Turkey or Greece.
Even if we assume it does not nuclear right away, WP can develop extensive defensive fortifications and multi layered SAM , AT weapons to make any NATO offensive very costly , without the need to maintain expensive, highly mobile armored forces and all associated formations like numbers of motorized infantry.
 
A mini-scenario often overlooked: What if the Soviet Navy improved the Yak-38 VTOL? Would this mean better Soviet naval aviation which would be later carried on to the Russian Navy or even the newly-independent Ukrainian Navy?

Or what if Ukraine did not sell the Varyag aircraft carrier to China?
Even some success as a sea harrier minus , infact something like this can span and entire new warship type, the modified merchantmen that can carry upto 5 or 6 of the forgers like mini AC for some third tier navies like Indonesia
 
Even some success as a sea harrier minus , infact something like this can span and entire new warship type, the modified merchantmen that can carry upto 5 or 6 of the forgers like mini AC for some third tier navies like Indonesia
My thoughts exactly. Considering that Indonesia also operates former Soviet/East German subs and has Sukhoi jets alongside the F-16. Indonesia is a customer for Russian equipment. It could mean that Indonesia might be the second country with a mini aircraft carrier in Southeast Asia next to Thailand. Although it has been stated that Thailand's sole aircraft carrier has become a white elephant because the Harriers were decommissioned a long time ago. It mostly serves as a royal yatch for the Thai monarchy.
 
Even some success as a sea harrier minus , infact something like this can span and entire new warship type, the modified merchantmen that can carry upto 5 or 6 of the forgers like mini AC for some third tier navies like Indonesia
Or just build enough runways in the island chains to provide far cheaper/easier air support while also increasing interconnections throughout the country for both the military and commercial activities?
 
Or just build enough runways in the island chains to provide far cheaper/easier air support while also increasing interconnections throughout the country for both the military and commercial activities?
Now that you've mentioned it, runways on island chains would be cheaper and easier to maintain. There's a reason why neighboring Philippines doesn't maintain aircraft carriers because of the cost of such. What would be more economical for the maritime countries of Southeast Asia would be mini flat tops, LPDs, and LHDs. PT PAL shipyard produces the Makassar-class LPD. The Tarlac-class SSV/LPD is a variant of the Makassar-class.

Flat tops, LPDs, and LHDs would be useful for countries that have isolated islands and regions wherein planes couldn't land and ground vehicles having a hard time traversing the ragged terrain since helicopters will do the trick.

Nonetheless, Indonesia and the Philippines possessing mini aircraft carriers is an interesting scenario.
 
If Indian Pakistan wars involved, chemical weapons, how will that effect
a these wars militarily
b global views and use of these weapons
c Cold War superpower doctrine on their use
 
If Indian Pakistan wars involved, chemical weapons, how will that effect
a these wars militarily
b global views and use of these weapons
c Cold War superpower doctrine on their use
It would probably be like the Iran-Iraq War since chemical weapons were also used in that conflict. The UN would probably try its best to ask for a ceasefire to prevent more usage of chemical weapons.
Argentinans mount a commando / submarine/ surface naval attack on Gibraltar during the falklands crisis ?
The distance between Argentina and Gibraltar is too far to make this attack practical. The Argentinians risk losing the submarine in the Atlantic from RN MPAs. Or even when they reach Gibraltar, the attack would give away the sub's location which means it would not be able to escape into the Atlantic.
 
There was a plan to attack Gib and Argentine commandoes were in Spain observing the port (Operation Algeciras). They were arrested by Spanish police and deported after a car hire outlet they were using became suspicious of them and reported them to police thinking they were criminals of some sort.
 
There was a plan to attack Gib and Argentine commandoes were in Spain observing the port (Operation Algeciras). They were arrested by Spanish police and deported after a car hire outlet they were using became suspicious of them and reported them to police thinking they were criminals of some sort.
Not to mention, Spain isn't stupid to jeopardize relations with Britain by sheltering these Argies. They just came from the Franco dictatorship. 1982 is also the same year Spain joined NATO. What the Argentine commandos would do is just make the British even angrier.
 
What other countries in Africa could have joined the nuclear club besides South Africa? Apart from Libya under Gaddafi.
Zaire had the potential to make it to the nuclear club luckily though the person who would've been happiest to accomplish it blew all the budget on stupid shit instead of insane dictator science projects so it never happened. But a different dictator of the Congo could theoretically do this...
 
1. Christmas, 1981: A spontaneous movement by West Berliners to gather at the Brandenburg Gate to sing Christmas carols to their neighbors in East Berlin unexpectedly picks up a huge amount of steam. Two hours after their start, several hundred thousand East Berliners are out on the streets singing along with their Western city mates. Soon after, enough fed up East Berliners make the leap towards simply overrunning the East German border police at Checkpoint Charlie and Invalidenstrasse-heading Westward on a permanent basis to keep singing carols on the other side of the wall. By 3pm the population flow becomes a raging torrent as the carolers overrun another three checkpoints. It takes the East German government until around midnight to resecure the border, by which time over 300,000 East Berliners (about 25% of East Berlin's population) have fled to West Berlin.

2. Viktor Belenko's defection to Japan in a MiG-25 fails.

3. Aldrich Ames dies in a drunken car crash before he can betray every asset the CIA has in Moscow.

4. East Germany sends a brigade of mechanized troops to fight in Angola against the South Africans. They become known as the VolksAfricaKorps.

5. The US gets a somewhat successful anti communist insurgency going in South Vietnam after the fall of Saigon in 1975.

6. The Vasily Matuzok defection incident in 1984 at the JSC of the Korean DMZ spirals into something bigger than it did in OTL.

7. (Possibly bordering on ASB) The Soviets manage to gin up a far left violent terrorist organization in the industrial UK amidst the discontent caused by Thatcherism.
 
A joint Sino Indian air, strike to eliminate the Pakistan nuclear weapons plant at kahuta in 1980
With the tacit approval of United States as it removes two problems at once
 
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