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What would have happened if Hillary Clinton won in 2008 and became the 2009-17 president? Would Obama have been her VP? How would she have dealt with congress and what would the next stage of the Clinton wars have looked like?
Showdown would have occurred on Gun Control and executive action would have bee taken after Newtown. Subsequently several Ruby Ridge situations.
In 2016 Obama would basically sweep into office in a landslide. If Bernie is getting 27K people, how many would a fresh 2015 Obama get?
How would Clinton have handled Russia? Obama basically did zero to contain Putin.
You would see much more continuity with Bush second term foreign policy then Obama and the Arab Spring goes a heck of a lot better for the region. Sitting in Iraq which she would have done prevents the overflights from Tehran to Damascus and means by 2013 the regime would have cracked along with support to the FSA and training which Hillary would provide when it was needed AQI wouldn't be able to regrow in Syria.
Without the cover of IS I can't see Russia thowing in fully to Syria to save Assad. Russia likely does annex Crimea, but goes no further when the U.S. actually unites the world in condemnation instead of yawning.
End of the day Libya depends on how much she learned the lesson of Iraq that you have to help provide security after. That is a flip of the coin and depends on the general she decideds to listen to. OTL, it was Obama's call and he botched it.
On domestic policy she likely ends up far more successful then Obama in getting her agenda passed.
Republicans aren't going to be any more cooperative with Hillary than with Obama. On Ukraine, what exactly, is going to be done beyond what was already done? (Sanctions, NATO buildup in E. Europe...) You'll get more direct arming of the Ukrainian Army, but Hillary isn't going to risk WWIII and Europeans aren't going to be any more persuaded to launch sanctions than they were OTL. Iraq is still going to be an Iranian client and 10K extra US troops in Iraq (if she can negotiate an agreement on extending troop presence) aren't going to butterfly ISIS.
One thing with Hillary. Assuming she has the House and Senate in 2008 Health Care is going to be as she wanted it. Not the abortion we wound up with due to allowing Reid and Polosi cut deals to get support. If it hits her desk not as she wanted she vetoes it and sends it back
How could he play hardball with that guy? He needed him and he was safe in his seat as it turned out when he ran as an independent and won.What about the public option? Didn't that get successfully filibustered partly because Obama didn't play hardball with Lieberman?
What about the public option? Didn't that get successfully filibustered partly because Obama didn't play hardball with Lieberman?
Hillary being Hillary, she makes a big mess of things and loses in a landslide to the Republican nominee in 2012.
This is Hillary Clinton we're talking about folks. Few political figures have ever had such skill in snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, from botching the healthcare rollout in '93 so badly the GOP took control of Congress in '94, to losing the Democratic nomination to a freshman senator, and now possibly to a socialist from Vermont.
Plus, you thought the GOP/Tea Party reaction to Obama was bad? Imagine how they'd react to the woman they've written playbooks on how to defeat for decades. Unlike Obama, it would be open season even for Party moderates. Plus, Obama has a gift for bridging the various groups within the Democratic Party - how would segments of the Dem base react to Hillary being deep in the tank for Wall Street, or against LGBT rights?
Republicans aren't going to be any more cooperative with Hillary than with Obama. On Ukraine, what exactly, is going to be done beyond what was already done? (Sanctions, NATO buildup in E. Europe...) You'll get more direct arming of the Ukrainian Army, but Hillary isn't going to risk WWIII and Europeans aren't going to be any more persuaded to launch sanctions than they were OTL. Iraq is still going to be an Iranian client and 10K extra US troops in Iraq (if she can negotiate an agreement on extending troop presence) aren't going to butterfly ISIS.
What would have happened if Hillary Clinton won in 2008 and became the 2009-17 president? Would Obama have been her VP? How would she have dealt with congress and what would the next stage of the Clinton wars have looked like?