Classic 1066 POD

Yes. Three, or six counting his...common law I suppose the best term is wife.

Why would Margaret marry Malcolm here?

Not that I wouldn't mind seeing the timeline, since it could happen anyway.

Why not? For Malcolm, could be a good way to mess with England.
 
Why not? For Malcolm, could be a good way to mess with England.

For Malcolm, yes. The problem is Margaret.

I'm not sure if she could have had her druthers, but its not as if anyone has an interest in marrying her to Malcolm.

Doesn't mean something more like what happened OTL can't happen, though.
 
For Malcolm, yes. The problem is Margaret.

I'm not sure if she could have had her druthers, but its not as if anyone has an interest in marrying her to Malcolm.

Doesn't mean something more like what happened OTL can't happen, though.

Apparently, she came to be fond of her Scottish husband, and even to love him, from what I understand. But yes, she may never meet him in the first place TTL. I suppose that much depends on what Edgard does.
Were I Harold, or one of his heirs, I'd send Edgard and every son he, or Margaret, may have, to the first crusade available outside the British Isles. Not necessarily in the Levant - Spain or Sicily are fine too, and possibly even some mess with heathens in the Baltic under Swedish standards.
 
For Malcolm, yes. The problem is Margaret.

I'm not sure if she could have had her druthers, but its not as if anyone has an interest in marrying her to Malcolm.

Doesn't mean something more like what happened OTL can't happen, though.

By the way, had any of the Harold's sons the age and the position to marry Margaret? THAT could be interesting. :D
 
Apparently, she came to be fond of her Scottish husband, and even to love him, from what I understand. But yes, she may never meet him in the first place TTL. I suppose that much depends on what Edgard does.

Yeah. Its certainly entirely possible in the right circumstances, but one does have to produce them - thus my curiosity.

Were I Harold, or one of his heirs, I'd send Edgard and every son he, or Margaret, may have, to the first crusade available outside the British Isles. Not necessarily in the Levant - Spain or Sicily are fine too, and possibly even some mess with heathens in the Baltic under Swedish standards.
Yeah. Ideal situation - Edgar wants to establish something for himself in one of those places.

Cedricingas (is that how one says it?) princedom in Spain would be an interesting pebble to toss into the waters there. It might not mean anything much long term except from butterflies, but they'd be really interesting butterflies.
 
Yeah. Its certainly entirely possible in the right circumstances, but one does have to produce them - thus my curiosity.

Yeah. Ideal situation - Edgar wants to establish something for himself in one of those places.

Cedricingas (is that how one says it?) princedom in Spain would be an interesting pebble to toss into the waters there. It might not mean anything much long term except from butterflies, but they'd be really interesting butterflies.

Uhm... Yeah, really interesting. I have no clue about how that could play out actually, but Spain was very... er... complicated a that point. Some hundred Saxon warriors led by a prestigious prince could be nice to see there. (Idhqar Ithlinj al-Sakhsuni, how would it sound?).
 
Uhm... Yeah, really interesting. I have no clue about how that could play out actually, but Spain was very... er... complicated a that point. Some hundred Saxon warriors led by a prestigious prince could be nice to see there. (Idhqar Ithlinj al-Sakhsuni, how would it sound?).

Where are our 11th century Spain experts when we need one...
 
Scotland was not at this time anyway near being a unified nation. Nor was Wales. (I've just finished reading abook on the struggle for mastery)

My thoughts are we would have seen a Saxon England gradually looking more towards the continent than north. South Wales and the South West being absorbed into a "greater England"

The border with the Scots defining itself between where it is now or a little further south (depending on which side had the better kings).

If Harold dealt with the remaining claimants to the thrown (most probable) the remainaing overt enemies would be from across the channel. Especially if William had escaped.



Also a Saxon victory may well have allowed the church in Britain to develop away from Rome which raises some very interesting "butterflies".

"The Struggle for Mastery Britain 1066 - 1284" by David Carpenter USBN 0 713 99065 1 Penguin Published 2005

Don't forget there's alot more Northern English without William the Bastard. No Harrying of the North. Larger population = Larger Fyrd = greater threat to the Scots. Also different Scotish Royals later on. Robert the Bruce was part of the de Brus family who were lords of the manor of Hartlepool.
 
Don't forget there's alot more Northern English without William the Bastard. No Harrying of the North. Larger population = Larger Fyrd = greater threat to the Scots. Also different Scotish Royals later on. Robert the Bruce was part of the de Brus family who were lords of the manor of Hartlepool.

Unless Margaret marries Malcolm, the Scottish royals are going to be different far sooner that the House of Bruce.
 
Embarrassingly, I admit that I should be expected to be one. At least, my university says so. :eek:

Well, there are experts in that sense, and then there are the obsessive freaks who seek to memorize every detail on the area ever penned, and "experts" was an attempt at finding a nice word for those neurotics.

No embarrassment was intended.
 
Well, better late than never. There could be some chance for good old Edgar landing with a crusade force in Spain in 1070s. After all, in 1063 there hasd been a calling for a crusade to liberate Spain from the Moors. He might had given a hand in 1067 to free Saragossa from the Muslims and could have found himself involved in the civil war between Sancho, king of Castille, and his brother Alfonso, king of Leon.

Perhaps the victorious Sancho isn't murdered and may give some fiefdom to Edgar, if the Aetheling manages to perform some heroic or useful action. If he's still alive when the Almoravids under defeat Castile-Leon at Sagrajas (1086) he may going to see interesting times...
 
What were Britain's relations with Spain/Iberia at the time? Was there much contact?

For much of the Anglo-Saxon era and periods of Danish rule, slaves were exported from the British Isles to places like Scandinavia, Rome and Al-Andalus. Britain had plenty of contact with the continent. Apparently, some rebellious English landowners and their families were sold into slavery in Spain by William of Normandy post 1066.
 
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