Civil War Without Slavery?

Let's say the US is formed with slavery already outlawed. Does the south still find reason to rebel as state's rights are gradually made subservient to the national government?
 
Let's say the US is formed with slavery already outlawed. Does the south still find reason to rebel as state's rights are gradually made subservient to the national government?

Expat

Possibly over tariffs, which were another point of conflict.

Steve
 
No, quite simply no other issue had anything like that power.

By the way issues around tarrifs and other economic things did not have quite as clear a North South split as some think.
 
Their may still be a large differance between North and South in 1860 even without Slavery. For example the North encouraged immigration and the South all but prohibited it. Immigration from European Countries led to increasing industry in the North and westward expansion. The anti-semitic South is not likely be welcoming to immigration and such a thing would become a large arguing point.

Also the South would still have had it's own kind of aristocracy as that was formed on the old families of the Southern states who became wealthy plantation owners. Those people are likely to become wealthy plantation owners regardless of Slavery but they would just have to pay for labour and charge more for their goods.

Money and power will become the main arguing points with an anti-semitic South suspicious of the industrial North in most cases however without Slavery War is unlikely, not imposible but unlikely.
 
What if indentured servitude continued in this timeline and it becomes a matter more akin to workers' rights than basic freedom?
After all we might get the same sort of marriages broken up, attempts at escape for more lucrative industrial jobs in the north.
The question is, if it's a matter of contractual labor, does the pro-business north support this system?
 
The question is, if it's a matter of contractual labor, does the pro-business north support this system?

To a degree a continuing dividing line between the North and South is the extension of government power and the move towards a national government as opposed to the federal balance. It would be nice to see the Southern states continuing to oppose and defeat things like the Bank of the United States and government subsidies. The tariff, or any major tariff to benefit Northern industry will not be supported or enforced by the South.

The question of secession will come up when the North finally achieves political dominance, tho its entirely likely that without slavery there may be greater settlement of the Midwest by Southrons and more states believing in limited government may be sending representatives to Washington. Its possible that the North may leave the Union in order to protect its industry.

The major lightning rod is the tariffs and not slavery.
 
January 1, 1751, Slavery officially becomes legal in Georgia ...

So whe drop back 5, and the Government starts transporting thousands of the Jacobites as Indentured Servants, to Georgia, following the Rebellion.
Then in 1748 when the Great Frost hits Ireland, the Government advances Funds for Irish to go to the Colonies.

By 1750 when the vote is held, there is a surplus of labor in Georgia, and the vote fails.

fast forward to 1784, and the vote on the Northwest Ordinance. With Georgia still being a free States, The provision to ban Slavery west of the 1763 prolocination line passes.

Forward again to 1806, and the proposal to ban the import of slaves,
An Admentment is offered for the gradual abolishment of Slavery
The slaves states of Maryland, Virginia, North/South Carolina oppose the Admendment, but are out voted.

In the 1820's most southern states, have a policy of pushing Free Blacks south into the newly Purchused Territory of Florida.
While at the same time, encourging European Farm families to immigrate.

By 1826, All new born Blacks are offically free.

1834 sees the Texas rebellion, followed in 1836, by the Mexican American War

By 1856, the youngest slaves are in their 40's, past their prime, There is another wave of Freeing them as
Most of America is trying hard to forget to forget the legacy of Slavery.

1860 find most of the American South covered with large plantations on the flat level ground with lots of small Family type farms Where the Soil or terrian makes large farms unecomonical.
Most political aurguments are over the speed of Development, and what is the best policy for the Government to follow.
 
To a degree a continuing dividing line between the North and South is the extension of government power and the move towards a national government as opposed to the federal balance. It would be nice to see the Southern states continuing to oppose and defeat things like the Bank of the United States and government subsidies. The tariff, or any major tariff to benefit Northern industry will not be supported or enforced by the South.

The question of secession will come up when the North finally achieves political dominance, tho its entirely likely that without slavery there may be greater settlement of the Midwest by Southrons and more states believing in limited government may be sending representatives to Washington. Its possible that the North may leave the Union in order to protect its industry.

The major lightning rod is the tariffs and not slavery.

But can industry really convince government to rebel? (he said, almost certainly naively:rolleyes:)
And how does the population respond? There are more immigrants and little loyalty to the institutions of industry. Of course the poor of the south felt used as well, but many still fought.
Wouldn't it be more likely that industry uses the current system to alter things in its favor rather than risk the instability of overthrowing that system?
 
January 1, 1751, Slavery officially becomes legal in Georgia ...

So whe drop back 5, and the Government starts transporting thousands of the Jacobites as Indentured Servants, to Georgia, following the Rebellion.
Then in 1748 when the Great Frost hits Ireland, the Government advances Funds for Irish to go to the Colonies.

By 1750 when the vote is held, there is a surplus of labor in Georgia, and the vote fails.

fast forward to 1784, and the vote on the Northwest Ordinance. With Georgia still being a free States, The provision to ban Slavery west of the 1763 prolocination line passes.

Forward again to 1806, and the proposal to ban the import of slaves,
An Admentment is offered for the gradual abolishment of Slavery
The slaves states of Maryland, Virginia, North/South Carolina oppose the Admendment, but are out voted.

In the 1820's most southern states, have a policy of pushing Free Blacks south into the newly Purchused Territory of Florida.
While at the same time, encourging European Farm families to immigrate.

By 1826, All new born Blacks are offically free.

1834 sees the Texas rebellion, followed in 1836, by the Mexican American War

By 1856, the youngest slaves are in their 40's, past their prime, There is another wave of Freeing them as
Most of America is trying hard to forget to forget the legacy of Slavery.

1860 find most of the American South covered with large plantations on the flat level ground with lots of small Family type farms Where the Soil or terrian makes large farms unecomonical.
Most political aurguments are over the speed of Development, and what is the best policy for the Government to follow.

Succinct and well done!
So do you see a rebellion in the future of this timeline?
 
The major lightning rod is the tariffs and not slavery.

I'm afraid period southern politicians would disagree strongly on that.

For example, Alexander Stephens.

"[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."

The Alabama Ordinance of Secession refers to the states that wanted to secede as 'slaveholding". So does the Texas Ordinance of Secession. And Virginia.

The Georgia Declaration of Causes of Secession refers to their political opposition as 'non-slave-holding' states, the Republican Party as an '[/SIZE][/FONT]an anti-slavery party[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]', and complained of '[/SIZE][/FONT]the rise, progress, and policy of anti-slavery'.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]The Mississippi Declaration of Causes of Secession states '[/SIZE][/FONT]Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery'.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]The South Carolina Declaration of Causes of Secession, refers to its political allies as '[/SIZE][/FONT]the other slaveholding States' and its political opponents as 'the non-slaveholding States'.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]The Texas Declaration of Causes of Secession says Texas' '[/SIZE][/FONT]institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States' and to their political opposition as 'the non-slave-holding States'.

They don't call themselves the 'anti-tariff' States and their opposition the 'pro-tariff' states.
 
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