City of Venice in an independent modern Venice

Look away for a bit, and a thread may suddenly grow. :) Some interesting thoughts here. Been reading "The Pursuit of Italy" by David Gilmour and the Italian "rush of nationalism", in contrast to desire for an independent or at least autonomous Venice-centered state, doesn't seemed to have touched Austrian Venetia much if at all...and after all, it's not like it's set in stone (certainly not with pre-19th century PODs) that there should be a unified Italy to get grabby about Venice in the first place.

Bruce
 

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The problem with San Giorgio's Monastery is that apart from the Refectory and the Libary (both of which would be no real size difference from the Palazzo Ducale), there aren't really any large rooms. The buildings would require radical rebuilding, and at that point if you're going to move it's probably cheaper just to build anew.

I was thinking more that if it was suppressed and the buildings fell into disuse the land would become available later on when they might be looking to build an imposing new romano-byzantine revival building to house the government. And I too have always known it as the Palazzo Ducale, though yes it is Dogal in Venetian. While it is the technical term I don't think Dogale is used very commonly in standard Italian.

On another note has anyone given anything to the ecclesiastical set up in Venice? Pre-Napoleon the Cathedral was San Pietro di Castello. It makes sense that at some point the Cathedra is moved to San Marco. I do wonder if San Pietro would even survive given that it very nearly didn't OTL. It would be interesting if that end of the city built up more in the 19th century leading to the rebuilding of San Pietro as a larger cathedral in some revival style. Either way there's still the question of old dioceses in the lagoon like Torcello and the relationship of the Patriarch to the Venetian government, probably dependent on the politics of the gov in question.
 
On another note has anyone given anything to the ecclesiastical set up in Venice? Pre-Napoleon the Cathedral was San Pietro di Castello. It makes sense that at some point the Cathedra is moved to San Marco. I do wonder if San Pietro would even survive given that it very nearly didn't OTL. It would be interesting if that end of the city built up more in the 19th century leading to the rebuilding of San Pietro as a larger cathedral in some revival style. Either way there's still the question of old dioceses in the lagoon like Torcello and the relationship of the Patriarch to the Venetian government, probably dependent on the politics of the gov in question.

I wonder about that. If the Doge is still living at the Palazzo, then the reasoning for moving the seat to the Basilica, which was that without the Doge acting as Bishopric rule over the basilica and St. Mark's relics (I'm not entirely sure If I'm reading that right, but it's definately the loss of the Doge) is removed. The Patriarchate may still move to the Basilica, but we could have a situation like Rome where the Basilica di San Marco is the formal seat of the Patriarch of Venezia, but the Bishop of Venice maintains his cathedra at San Pietro in Castello. A rebuilding may take place, probably in some sort of Neo-Romanesque/Neo Byzantine style similar to Westminster Cathedral, though simply something larger in the Rennaisance style may be chosen. The belltower looks to be in the sort of position where it would be retained though.
 
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