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If I was to guess Prat is probably the father or grandfather of the Chilean army General Carlos Prats of the early 1970s. It would be interesting to see what effect the GAW has on the state of the Presidentialist regime of 1891. I would imagine that it could have a democratizing effect in terms of creating pressures that would cause the political system to be somewhat more inclusive. I think it would increase the pace of modernization but against a backdrop of political, social and economic conflict. Maybe the presidential regime could better cope with the travails of the postwar instability better than the rickety Parliamentary regime ever could. But it's still possible to see something like the Socialist Republic of Chile of 1932 (if only briefly) if the Liberal-Conservative domination of the system is unable to manage the expectations of a militant working class and a more powerful middle class. It is possible however to imagine military men like Prat or even Ibanez gaining clout that would enable them to insert themselves into and leading the political system well into the 1920s and 1930s.
Actually, its this guy, a national hero of Chile who ITTL doesn’t die in the Saltpeter War and instead serves as President from 1896-1901 and now has come out of retirement to save Chile with his naval prowess (spoiler: nah)

But you bring up a great point that the GAW will shake up the Oligarchic Republic. There wasnt a Chilean Civil War ITTL so the Presidency wasnt entirely defanged by Congress, though the oligarchy in that institution still reigns supreme. The protagonists of the Socialist Republic is something I want to play with a bit, Marmaduke Grove in particular just because his name is so awesome haha
 
A Socialist State is definitely a possibility though Groves, Davila and their allies might have difficulty in pursuing the revolutionary reforms they intend to implement. That being said there are other ways to go about this; e.g. the social democratic route. ITOL progressive social and economic forces slowly wore down the control of the oligarchic elite through parties like SP, the Radicals the PDC as well as coalitions like the UP and FRAP. We could easily see the advance of progressive minded reformers like Frei or Allende; though the extent to which they can control the pace of social reform is harder to judge. Much will depend on the extent to which oligarchic forces can adapt themselves to the new situation; possibly Alessandri might provide an effective counterweight while not stopping the reform process.
 
The last two chapters also fully illustrated how despite having fewer resources and manpower to play with, the USA of TTL was actually much more prepared for a war than for OTLs two World Wars.
 
A Socialist State is definitely a possibility though Groves, Davila and their allies might have difficulty in pursuing the revolutionary reforms they intend to implement. That being said there are other ways to go about this; e.g. the social democratic route. ITOL progressive social and economic forces slowly wore down the control of the oligarchic elite through parties like SP, the Radicals the PDC as well as coalitions like the UP and FRAP. We could easily see the advance of progressive minded reformers like Frei or Allende; though the extent to which they can control the pace of social reform is harder to judge. Much will depend on the extent to which oligarchic forces can adapt themselves to the new situation; possibly Alessandri might provide an effective counterweight while not stopping the reform process.
Correct me if I’m wring but was nit Alessandri (at least thr first one) something of a reformer himself?
The last two chapters also fully illustrated how despite having fewer resources and manpower to play with, the USA of TTL was actually much more prepared for a war than for OTLs two World Wars.
At least on the Naval Front, absolutely. The Kentucky River attacks are a combo of luck and favorable geography, future offensives for the US wont go nearly as well
 
Correct me if I’m wring but was nit Alessandri (at least thr first one) something of a reformer himself?

At least on the Naval Front, absolutely. The Kentucky River attacks are a combo of luck and favorable geography, future offensives for the US wont go nearly as well
It does sort of lead to the following question, "What does the US do *after* it has sunken all of the Bloc Sud Navies? iOTL, after sinking all of the opponent's navies, you start sinking their shipping, but iTTL with Britain basically saying "I'll ship to who I want to and you better not even think of sinking those ships", it makes the after much more fuzzy. I mean, I guess it means that the US would be able to land troops whereever they want on the Confederate coast, but does that give them that much of an advantage?
 
It does sort of lead to the following question, "What does the US do *after* it has sunken all of the Bloc Sud Navies? iOTL, after sinking all of the opponent's navies, you start sinking their shipping, but iTTL with Britain basically saying "I'll ship to who I want to and you better not even think of sinking those ships", it makes the after much more fuzzy. I mean, I guess it means that the US would be able to land troops whereever they want on the Confederate coast, but does that give them that much of an advantage?
And with that youve identified a strategic conundrum for the United States, though one im sure they’d rather have than true parity with the Bloc Sud’s naval forces
 
At least on the Naval Front, absolutely. The Kentucky River attacks are a combo of luck and favorable geography, future offensives for the US wont go nearly as well

You have no idea how happy I am to hear that. Right now - save for getting caught with their pants down during Plan HHH - every time the US shows up in the narritive, you know they are going to win and their opponents are generally so incompitent that they often do half of the US' work for them. Considering that the US was caught unawares (and the fact that there needs to be a reason to put Pershing in the top chair; which certainly isn't going to happen if everything seems to sailing smooth) I'd expect a fair bit more blundering about on their part as well. And, really, just from the point of view of narritive satisfaction, I don't want the US to jus steamroll everyone; I want to see some drama :)
 
I would greatly approve of a Fallout 4 Preston Garvey reference in some subsequent chapter ;) Especially if he's known for forever pestering a Union General with side missions to help out random Maryland communities, when they REALLY need to be planning the major offensives against the Confederacy :D
There’s no time for a Preston Garvey reference, a settlement is under attack! I’ll mark it down on your map. :)
 
You have no idea how happy I am to hear that. Right now - save for getting caught with their pants down during Plan HHH - every time the US shows up in the narritive, you know they are going to win and their opponents are generally so incompitent that they often do half of the US' work for them. Considering that the US was caught unawares (and the fact that there needs to be a reason to put Pershing in the top chair; which certainly isn't going to happen if everything seems to sailing smooth) I'd expect a fair bit more blundering about on their part as well. And, really, just from the point of view of narritive satisfaction, I don't want the US to jus steamroll everyone; I want to see some drama :)
Ill cop to personally finding writing wars a bit tedious other than broad strokes from battle to battle, but if everything went like the push to Lexington just did the US would be in Atlanta by Christmas and j gotta stretch this out a bit more than that after all the buildup hahaha
 
There’s no time for a Preston Garvey reference, a settlement is under attack! I’ll mark it down on your map. :)
Oh my God, YES! :D

"Carrying important news from the front, I was ushered into the General's office. He was deep in conversation with a local minuteman comander by the name of Garvey who was begging the general to send resources to help combat Confederate raids near Burkitsville. I could tell from his expression that the General was annoyed, but felt compelled to hear Garvey out. Turning to me, he smiled, sensing relief, "Commander Garvey, if you could wait a minute, I believe our friend here has important information which could help us both" - Blood and Cotton: Memories of the Great American War.
 
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So Sophie's straightforwardly Queen of the Netherlands from 1884-1897, then, after her heir dies. With that, then, her grandson William Ernest presumably spends most of his boyhood in the Netherlands and isn't quite as "German," though that didn't quite take with William/Carlos Jose in Spain so who knows how it goes in Amsterdam even closer to the Vaterland. He'd still probably be a fairly sadistic, unpopular sovereign as he was IOTL just in conservative, Calvinist Netherlands instead of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach.
True, yes. Makes me wonder whether the soil for a revolution would be far more fertile ITTL than it was IOTL with Queen Wilhelmina rebuilding the popularity of the monarchy - Sophie would probably restore it a bit too, but whether this Willem V, even as a constitutional king who doesn't have as many powers as I assume he would have had in Saxe-Weimar, could rally loyalty if the international situation went pearshaped is harder to say.
 
Ill cop to personally finding writing wars a bit tedious other than broad strokes from battle to battle, but if everything went like the push to Lexington just did the US would be in Atlanta by Christmas and j gotta stretch this out a bit more than that after all the buildup hahaha
It would be a tremendous troll job if after all that buildup the war was three months long.
 
It would be a tremendous troll job if after all that buildup the war was three months long.
I *think* that we've gotten enough information to know that the next Confederate Presidential election (2 years away?) is a wartime election for them, which means that the war lasts at least two years from the sneak attack. That doesn't mean that all Confederate states will be in a position to hold a vote (I'm looking at you Kentucky).
 
And with that youve identified a strategic conundrum for the United States, though one im sure they’d rather have than true parity with the Bloc Sud’s naval forces
You've left enough hints that a least a year before the end of the GAW, the Chilean and Confederate Navies will be largely sunk. At *that* point, the United States should be able to have equal forces with the Mexicans in the Pacific, the Mexicans in the Gulf *and* the Brazilians and get to choose who they put their remaining forces with to defeat in detail. I'm guessing the Brazilians are next in order to help the Argentines. Mexico *might* still have a Navy when they white peace.

Note Hilton Head is far enough into the Atlantic, that the Mexicans might not be part of that Naval Force. Leave the Mexicans to guard the Gulf and take the entire CSN to attack what they expect the USN has at a given point in the Atlantic. And given that the USA is reading "the CSA's mail". That could be *very*, *very*, *very* ugly.

At the end of the CEW, I'm expecting the significant Navies of the world to go
1-3, UK, US, DE (in some order)
4-6. RU, IT, JP (in some order)
(If the Mexicans white peace at the right time, they might be with the 4-6)
 
Correct me if I’m wring but was nit Alessandri (at least thr first one) something of a reformer himself?

At least on the Naval Front, absolutely. The Kentucky River attacks are a combo of luck and favorable geography, future offensives for the US wont go nearly as well
From what I’ve read all Alessandris were considered reformers of one variety or another; the first did promulgate a new labor code for example and did some measure of state-led industrialization but they often leaned on the support of rural and much more conservative elites (hence no wholesale land reform) and were more palatable to their interests.
 
True, yes. Makes me wonder whether the soil for a revolution would be far more fertile ITTL than it was IOTL with Queen Wilhelmina rebuilding the popularity of the monarchy - Sophie would probably restore it a bit too, but whether this Willem V, even as a constitutional king who doesn't have as many powers as I assume he would have had in Saxe-Weimar, could rally loyalty if the international situation went pearshaped is harder to say.
This pending retcon actually gives me some decent (certainly more interesting) ideas for the Netherlands than what I had previously, particularly the intersection of republicanism and the generally revolutionary atmosphere in 1920s Europe, and how it sets up some of what's to come later in the Netherlands, so thank you for the correction!
It would be a tremendous troll job if after all that buildup the war was three months long.
Would be probably the biggest troll in the history of this site if I took that cop out, wouldn't it?? Haha
You've left enough hints that a least a year before the end of the GAW, the Chilean and Confederate Navies will be largely sunk. At *that* point, the United States should be able to have equal forces with the Mexicans in the Pacific, the Mexicans in the Gulf *and* the Brazilians and get to choose who they put their remaining forces with to defeat in detail. I'm guessing the Brazilians are next in order to help the Argentines. Mexico *might* still have a Navy when they white peace.

Note Hilton Head is far enough into the Atlantic, that the Mexicans might not be part of that Naval Force. Leave the Mexicans to guard the Gulf and take the entire CSN to attack what they expect the USN has at a given point in the Atlantic. And given that the USA is reading "the CSA's mail". That could be *very*, *very*, *very* ugly.

At the end of the CEW, I'm expecting the significant Navies of the world to go
1-3, UK, US, DE (in some order)
4-6. RU, IT, JP (in some order)
(If the Mexicans white peace at the right time, they might be with the 4-6)
That's pretty close to the correct ranking, though Mexico will be a few notches below that navally since they're not getting out unscathed on the high seas even if the land war, all things considered, goes pretty well for them
From what I’ve read all Alessandris were considered reformers of one variety or another; the first did promulgate a new labor code for example and did some measure of state-led industrialization but they often leaned on the support of rural and much more conservative elites (hence no wholesale land reform) and were more palatable to their interests.
This is my understanding too. They'll definitely have a pretty big part to play in Chilean history, still, as will some familiar faces (not Pinochet, thank god, since his rise to the top of the junta was even flukier than Franco's in Spain)
 
The was is only a few months old, but do we, or is there a chance of European divisions being formed to fight as mercenaries/volunteers?

IIRC, there was an American division or group of men fighting in Europe pre-American involvement in WW1, so I'm wondering if there could be anything like this in this ATL?
 
War in the Cone
"...under heavy fire and losing significant men as the Brazilian army coalesced around their collapsing position, the Argentineans were nonetheless able to evacuate across the Rio Ibicuy to San Pedro under the cover of protected cruisers sailed up into the river to defend the crossing. With the fighting retreat from Ciudad Parana three days earlier on February 20th and subsequent fending off of Brazilian attempts to secure the marshy island from behind the tributary Rio Colastine, the last Argentine positions east of the Rio Parana with the exception of Corrientes and Bela Vera west of the impassable Ibera wetlands had been abandoned, with severe losses to both sides.

Had Brazil's overarching strategic objectives been narrower - and perhaps depending on one's point of view, reasonable and realistic - the conclusion of the Mesopotamian Offensive would be regarded as a remarkable success. In tandem with the successes in Uruguay, the Brazilian Army had successfully driven Argentina from its fertile northeastern provinces behind the Parana, which was as much a barrier for a viable Argentinean counter-offensive as it was an obstacle for further Brazilian drives west. There was a small but influential minority position in Brazil at this point that argued in favor of offering Argentina terms, indeed fairly favorable ones - the demilitarization of the Mesopotamia, the permanent neutrality of Paraguay and most crucially the acceptance of Uruguay as a protectorate and vassal state of Rio de Janeiro. These terms were not entirely dissimilar to those eventually accepted by both parties in two years time when the South American front concluded, only hundreds of thousands of young Brazilian men would have been spared their deaths had Brazil put out feelers at this point, and the political system of prewar Brazil would have remained much more robust and those terms could indeed have been sold as a victory foisted upon Argentina, rather than a begrudging peace accepted when the Empire's forces had been bled white time and time again upon the Parana and with their chief geopolitical ally in Chile defenestrated. Chiefly concerning both the military and civilian "peace factions" in Brazil was the daunting task of trying to cross the Parana in force under the fire of Argentinean guns on both land and water (and, soon enough, in the sky) and a general awareness of the geographical constraints both sides were about to face in the next phase of the war.

Of course, Brazil's objectives were not limited to the largely achievable, which had already at the half-year mark of the war been achieved. The final aim of Brazil was the destruction of Argentinean radicalism as an ideology, one it saw as an export of Buenos Aires to other states, chiefly Uruguay and to a lesser extent Paraguay and possibly even Peru and Bolivia in time. Only the annihilation of alemismo and the establishment of a subservient Argentine state on the south bank of the Rio Plate, possibly with territorial annexations up to the Parana, would suffice for the increasingly radicalized clique around Hermes da Fonseca which the conservative government of Pinheiro Machado and even the Emperor Luis I was increasingly reluctant to stand against, out of fear of a military coup.

But there was also no denying that the Mesopotamian Campaign had not gone how Fonseca had hoped, which perhaps served to explain the increasingly strident, violent and apocalyptic tenor of his rhetoric. Brazil had been slow to mobilize and had suffered disproportionate losses to the Argentineans, despite being able to pin the enemy in Uruguay and the fact that Buenos Aires was fighting a low-intensity war in the Andes with Chile's mountaineer division. The nearly-finished rail lines to the Rio Uruguay did little once supplies needed to be transported across, and the inability to defeat the Argentine Navy on the Rio Plate the previous autumn meant that the enemy could harass shipping at will on that river and had total control of the "blue wall" of the Parana. The summer fighting season was drawing to a close with the rainy, wet fall to come, creating a number of hurdles; Brazil, objectively, needed to have defeated Argentina much more decisively during the "December window," rather than be ground down across vast amounts of territory by a tactically sound Fabian approach.

Regrouping ahead of the cooler, drier winter was thus approved as a strategy by Fonseca, who for all his public bluster understood the value of consolidating Brazil's gains. The autumn lull of much of 1914 ahead of planned offensives in the "July window" would give time for Fonseca and his staff to restock supplies, rotate fresh men onto the banks of the Parana to backfill physically exhausted and numerically depleted armies, see to it that the railheads actually reached the Uruguay, and build public support for the next push. It would be needed; the task ahead was genuinely daunting, as Brazil faced a front from Goya, their northernmost outpost on the river, to the mouth of the Parana on the Rio Plate that stretched nearly four hundred and fifty miles, a front that was impossible to burst across in full. Rather, the focus of the upcoming strike once July approached would have to be Rosario, Argentina's second city and located roughly on the midpoint of the front, home to the second-most railheads in the whole of the Republic and thus the lynchpin of the Argentine defense. Brazil would certainly have time to plan how exactly they planned to seize it in the Great Lull..."

- War in the Cone
 
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The was is only a few months old, but do we, or is there a chance of European divisions being formed to fight as mercenaries/volunteers?

IIRC, there was an American division or group of men fighting in Europe pre-American involvement in WW1, so I'm wondering if there could be anything like this in this ATL?
Oh I'm sure there is. Not a bad idea for me to try to write about in time, since I'm sure there's some shall we say eclectic mercenary/volunteer groups out there haha

(Some LatAm neutrals might be getting in on the action too, for that matter)
 
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