Christian VS Muslim Negreos

Kaptin Kurk

Banned
ATL Challenge:

Create a European Society, with presence in the Americas or not, that believes in white superiority but employes negroes / blacks as slave-soldiers in much the same way that Muslims seemed able to do.

Bonus points if this European society is based in the Americas....

Triple bonus points if its based in Europe.
 
I object a little to the casual use of that term, but I'll get over it.

Tocomocho brought up an interesting article. An all-black community in Florida could expand and form a 'homeland' of sorts for runaway slaves, an 'Underground Trainstation', even.

If such a settlement grew large enough to develop a distinct culture and available pool of able-bodied soldiers, then certainly, some European colonialists may hire some as mercenaries in their annual wars.
 
Assuming limited butterflies, the United States would never allow a black state of runaway slaves to exist in florida. It is too easy a target.
 

NapoleonXIV

Banned
The muslims who had slave-soldiers were either taken over by them, as per the Mamelukes, or had a really different concept of slavery, as per the Ottomans. Given the Western concept of slavery I don't see how you can arm a slave and expect him to stay one for any length of time.
 

Valdemar II

Banned
ATL Challenge:

Create a European Society, with presence in the Americas or not, that believes in white superiority but employes negroes / blacks as slave-soldiers in much the same way that Muslims seemed able to do.

Bonus points if this European society is based in the Americas....

Triple bonus points if its based in Europe.

Except that the slave soldiers use by muslims was mostly caucasuan. Black slave was mostly used as eunuks or to hard work, while white slaves ended
up as soldiers and adminstrators. Both was used as pleasure slaves. It should be said that this is a rule with exception around 25-30% of the sultans eunuks was white as an example.
 
Except that the slave soldiers use by muslims was mostly caucasuan. Black slave was mostly used as eunuks or to hard work, while white slaves ended
up as soldiers and adminstrators. Both was used as pleasure slaves. It should be said that this is a rule with exception around 25-30% of the sultans eunuks was white as an example.

True, allthough there have been Muslim states that used armies of mamluks that consisted (almost) entirely out of black Africans.

Armies of black mamluks were used by the Fatimids and various dynasties in Yemen and IIRC India.

...but your main point still stands, as most mamluks were indeed recruited from slaves of Caucasian (as in: from the Caucasus) or Central Asian origin.
 

Valdemar II

Banned
True, allthough there have been Muslim states that used armies of mamluks that consisted (almost) entirely out of black Africans.

Armies of black mamluks were used by the Fatimids and various dynasties in Yemen and IIRC India.

...but your main point still stands, as most mamluks were indeed recruited from slaves of Caucasian (as in: from the Caucasus) or Central Asian origin.

I meant causasian as in White, which do include Caucasians (as in: from the Caucasus), but also most semites and Indoeuropean.
 
I meant causasian as in White, which do include Caucasians (as in: from the Caucasus), but also most semites and Indoeuropean.

Yes, I was pretty sure you meant that in your previous post, but the fact remains that most Muslim states in the Middle East and India primarily used mamluks of Caucasian or Turkish origin.

Mamluks of Slavic or Berber origin were often used in Islamic Spain, but Islamic Spain was a bit of an exception on this.
 
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