Christian Iberian state with Moorish culture ?

What if there hadn´t been a complete and radical Reconquista but more an intermingeling of various Iberian cultures in Spain. OTL we have massive influence of Islamic Moorish architecture. But what if customs, habits, fashion, literature, poetry, sience and other cultural aspects of Moorish life had been transferred to the Christian populance in the former Muslim territories like Al-Andalus, Cordoba etc. ?
 
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Perhaps if there was no Spanish Inquisition, there might be a greater Moorish influence on Spanish culture?

Yes, it would help, I think. The Moriscos would still be around instead of being forcefully deported .

You would need more tolerate Spanish monarchs.

A tolerant Spanish monarch would be definitely required. Ferdinand and Isabella wouldn´t be the choice, for sure.
 
Get some Spanish ruler to be like Emperor Frederick II (of the HRE). I'd like to se a TL based on this premisse, it would jump out Spain from the Middle Ages much earlier.
 
Get some Spanish ruler to be like Emperor Frederick II (of the HRE). I'd like to se a TL based on this premisse, it would jump out Spain from the Middle Ages much earlier.

Yes, a Frederick Babarossa like figure for a cultural Moorish Christian kingdom would be great for such a timeline. Someone, who is powerful, intelligent, ahead of his time in his way of thinking, wise, tolerant and ruthless. Would be great, if someone would start such a timeline. A reference to this thread would be nice.
 
Yes, a Frederick Babarossa like figure for a cultural Moorish Christian kingdom would be great for such a timeline. Someone, who is powerful, intelligent, ahead of his time in his way of thinking, wise, tolerant and ruthless. Would be great, if someone would start such a timeline. A reference to this thread would be nice.

Ok, could there be any historc Iberian Christian ruler with Frederick Babarossa like traits, who could emerge to a Moorophile monarch ? Maybe some ruler who respects other Monotheistic religions (the Serphadic Jews included) and embraces tolerance despite being ruthless and strong ? Somebody who likes science and poetry ? Would be interesting, if even marriages between Moorish princesses and Christian Kings are possible vice versa (possibly conversion included) (I also think of the failed attempt to marry Saladin´s brother to King Richard´s daughter) . Maybe even a Moorish ruler coverts to Christianity. A larger intermingling of Moorish and Christian society is required for this thread (maybe it has to start relatively early in the Middle ages). Would be great to see this kingdom as a major player of Middle ages Europe with many universities as centers of learning and prosperity.
 
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Yes, a Frederick Babarossa like figure for a cultural Moorish Christian kingdom would be great for such a timeline. Someone, who is powerful, intelligent, ahead of his time in his way of thinking, wise, tolerant and ruthless. Would be great, if someone would start such a timeline. A reference to this thread would be nice.

Actually, I meant Barbarossa's grandson, Frederick II. He ruled the HRE from Palermo, Sicily, was known to be a very enlightened and tolerant ruler in his age. He represented the zeitgeist of Medieval Southern Italy, a mishmash of Muslim, Greek, Latin and Norman influence.

Anyway, a "moorophile" is kinda anathema for Medieval thought, you just need a leader who is tolerating of Moorish and Jewish presence. If you think by modern standards, Ferdinand and Isabella were outright barbarous rulers.
 
Actually, I meant Barbarossa's grandson, Frederick II. He ruled the HRE from Palermo, Sicily, was known to be a very enlightened and tolerant ruler in his age. He represented the zeitgeist of Medieval Southern Italy, a mishmash of Muslim, Greek, Latin and Norman influence.

Anyway, a "moorophile" is kinda anathema for Medieval thought, you just need a leader who is tolerating of Moorish and Jewish presence. If you think by modern standards, Ferdinand and Isabella were outright barbarous rulers.

Frederick II. in Southern Italy would make a great scenario either. Regardin Spain, Alfonso VII. of Castile´and Leon was quite a tolerant King as well, for he called himself "King of the men of the two religions". Regarding Ferdinand and Isabelle: Yes, a accurate characterization .
 
This could work. Reminds me of the El Cid campaign from Age of Empires II, when they have a peaceful society until some Berbers come in and ruin the fun.
 
Actually, I meant Barbarossa's grandson, Frederick II. He ruled the HRE from Palermo, Sicily, was known to be a very enlightened and tolerant ruler in his age. He represented the zeitgeist of Medieval Southern Italy, a mishmash of Muslim, Greek, Latin and Norman influence.

Anyway, a "moorophile" is kinda anathema for Medieval thought, you just need a leader who is tolerating of Moorish and Jewish presence. If you think by modern standards, Ferdinand and Isabella were outright barbarous rulers.

He more or less neglected the Empire north of the Alps and empowered the great nobles at the expense of the monarchs authority (and lower nobility and commoners); his rule might have been good for Sicily, it wasn't for the HRE.
 
Frederick II. in Southern Italy would make a great scenario either.

Of course, a lot of that was continuing policies started by the Normans under the Hautevilles. OK, they were more practical than tolerant, but the end result was far in advance of the rest of Western Europe.
 
He more or less neglected the Empire north of the Alps and empowered the great nobles at the expense of the monarchs authority (and lower nobility and commoners); his rule might have been good for Sicily, it wasn't for the HRE.
His goals was to screw the HRE and concentrate fully on Italy,which was far richer.The man was after all more Italian than German.
 
His goals was to screw the HRE and concentrate fully on Italy,which was far richer.The man was after all more Italian than German.

I wouldn't necessarily call it a goal, but it was the consequence of his policy. Frederick II simply couldn't or wouldn't divide his attention equally between both sides of the Alps.
 
This could work. Reminds me of the El Cid campaign from Age of Empires II, when they have a peaceful society until some Berbers come in and ruin the fun.

Maybe Valencia is not conquered by the Almoravides, there could be quite potential. A local emir (who ruled bot, Christians and Muslims) paid tribute to a Christian King. Alfonso VI seemed to had been engaged to a Moorish born women, too. The Almovarides seemed less interested of a intermingling but there ar many tales of respect and intercultural share between Alfonso and his Berber host.
 
Wasn't Granada actually a vassal of Spain at one point?

Interesting aspect ! i didn´t even remembered Grenada.
Yes, they paid them tribute in gold for 250 years. Even assisted them military. They had links to Burkina Faso and Mali, were their gold was transported from. They had been allegeny an important link between Orient and Occident. Would be interesting to evaluate, if it is possible to let them evolve ATL into some kind of real life Dorne. (forgive me this outstreched fantasy comparence ).
 
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