Arrix85
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Actually there's a pretty convenient circumpacific current that the Spanish used in OTL when sailing between the Philippines and Mexico, and the Chinese could use it too.
that wouldn't get them in mexica? not south america.
Actually there's a pretty convenient circumpacific current that the Spanish used in OTL when sailing between the Philippines and Mexico, and the Chinese could use it too.
I think the before engaging into deep-sea colonization the Chinese should concentrate on Philippines (with eventually the route to Mexico and North America) and Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, Austrialia, etc... ( with the route to south america). A direct american colonization is out of question.
It's plausible given the timeframe you propose that the Chinese could try to extend their empire in south-east asia ( don't know the feasibility in the 15th century, but surely it would be easier than after the arrival of the europeans). The newly found expansionist spirit, plus the boost given by the influx of resources could then help the chinese hold off the russians.
The problem is that the consolidation of the new lands in 15th and probably early 16th century would hinder their ability to compete against spanish and portuguese for the new world (but they would the most powerful in the pacific, no doubt).
You've got some fundamental questions to answer if you wish to build a plausable TL here.
That said, your scenario is interesting. Will you be putting more meat (bredth & depth of detail) on its bones?
I think the before engaging into deep-sea colonization the Chinese should concentrate on Philippines (with eventually the route to Mexico and North America) and Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, Austrialia, etc... ( with the route to south america). A direct american colonization is out of question.
It's plausible given the timeframe you propose that the Chinese could try to extend their empire in south-east asia ( don't know the feasibility in the 15th century, but surely it would be easier than after the arrival of the europeans). The newly found expansionist spirit, plus the boost given by the influx of resources could then help the chinese hold off the russians.
The problem is that the consolidation of the new lands in 15th and probably early 16th century would hinder their ability to compete against spanish and portuguese for the new world (but they would the most powerful in the pacific, no doubt).
1601: Important Mexica scientist, Atzla Cuahtemoc, discover "Greek" fire whilst attempting to replicate gunpowder. As the Mexica find it difficult to craft the correct type of metal for gunpowder weapons, and since it is a long a painstaking task to make them, Greek fire is used as an immediate replacement for gunpowder weapons, and it is extremely effective..
1606: Jamestown is founded, and British settlers begin to come to North America. Meanwhile, New France thrives and Zheng does as well. The Japanese piratical base on Vancouver island turns into two as the Japanese government offers the pirates pardon in exchange for the turning of their colony into an official colony..
1608: "New France" becomes an actual colony as opposed to a group of fur traders when Samuel de Champlain establishes a colony there. Samuel de Champlain establishes peace with the local Iroqois and also with the Mexica and the British settlers on Newfoundland.
A japanese colony in 1606? in North America? this is nuts. What is the PoD to justify this change in Japan? Commodore Perry traveling through time?
sorry for the remark, but I couldn't help myself.
Effective at what? Greek Fire was never a wonder weapon. Opposing forces would easy develop counter measures.
When did the Japanese burst onto the North American scene? Also, Vancouver Island will definitly be called something else in TTL given the direction you're going.
What prompts the French to establish New France as an actual colony as opposed to it being just a bunch of fur traders in 1600? Over how long a period of time did Champlain work to establish peace with both the Iroquois and Mexica? And the British settle Newfoundland? Not likely in 1600.