Chinese dominated Malaysia Government?

Is it possible for the Chinese to become the dominant group in Malaysia? This could be more Chinese in Malaysia which flips them to the majority of the population or they are just the most powerful ethnic group in the country. How is this possible and what is the impacts of this? What are their relations with communist China like or Taiwan? What is their relationship with their neighbors and the Islamic world? How do they treat their Muslim and other minorities in the nation? How are their relations with the US and Australia? What would this country look like and how strong will it be economically?
 
A Chinese dominated government even though they are a minority population? Well....if the communists won, maybe. Then we'd be on the communist side of the Cold War, that'd be interesting. Though I wonder how Singapore, being more of a capitalist sort, would react to this situation. Then again, if the Chinese control the government, we'd not see the split with Singapore.

If though we get a Chinese dominated government that is not communist, like having Lee Kuan Yew winning an election and forming a strong coalition government, then we might see a more bright future for Malaysia as a whole. Though I wonder if some of his iron fisted rules (no chewing gum!) can be practical in a country larger than a city state.

There's also the question of the royal families. Yes, plural, Malaysia has NINE royal families, each with considerable power (currently, PM Mahathir is having a cat fight with the Johor king and his crown prince, with thinly veiled threats on both sides). How would a Chinese dominated government deal with them...by having a Malaysia republic??? :eek:

Looking at all the things I typed, I wonder if I'm now being monitored by the government hehehehehehe :winkytongue:

One of the reasons the Chinese population is currently dropping there is because they don’t like the laws and government there

Also low birth rates by the Chinese, who are much more educated (hence more birth control and family planning) and living in urban areas (with high living costs, hence less kids!) compared to rural Malays who don't care about birth control.
 
A Chinese dominated government even though they are a minority population? Well....if the communists won, maybe. Then we'd be on the communist side of the Cold War, that'd be interesting. Though I wonder how Singapore, being more of a capitalist sort, would react to this situation. Then again, if the Chinese control the government, we'd not see the split with Singapore.

If though we get a Chinese dominated government that is not communist, like having Lee Kuan Yew winning an election and forming a strong coalition government, then we might see a more bright future for Malaysia as a whole. Though I wonder if some of his iron fisted rules (no chewing gum!) can be practical in a country larger than a city state.

There's also the question of the royal families. Yes, plural, Malaysia has NINE royal families, each with considerable power (currently, PM Mahathir is having a cat fight with the Johor king and his crown prince, with thinly veiled threats on both sides). How would a Chinese dominated government deal with them...by having a Malaysia republic??? :eek:

Looking at all the things I typed, I wonder if I'm now being monitored by the government hehehehehehe :winkytongue:



Also low birth rates by the Chinese, who are much more educated (hence more birth control and family planning) and living in urban areas (with high living costs, hence less kids!) compared to rural Malays who don't care about birth control.
Could the region accept more people from China during the 30s and have a bunch of Chinese Nationalist flee there after the fall of the mainland? China has a lot of population to throw around to make up for birthrates. Their restrictions on emigration is probably one reason we aren’t seeing Chinese more widespread in otl.
 
Could the region accept more people from China during the 30s and have a bunch of Chinese Nationalist flee there after the fall of the mainland? China has a lot of population to throw around to make up for birthrates. Their restrictions on emigration is probably one reason we aren’t seeing Chinese more widespread in otl.

Well that depends on the British and their needs. If I recall, the Chinese came here mostly due to mining, right? So if the British brought in more miners, you'd probably get a greater ethnic Chinese population in Malaya (which is the peninsular, I dunno about the situation in Borneo) than in OTL. It really is up to the British, Malaya didn't get independence until way after the second World War, and that's only due partly to the British wanting to prevent a communist government here (it helps that our aristocrats and community leaders were mostly pro-West, heck look at Malaysia's flag!).

If it wasn't for the British preserving and working together with the Malay rulers, I'd doubt we'd be in the situation today, where we have to support NINE royal families (if you don't hear anymore from me, it's probably because I've been arrested for sedition har har :biggrin:).
 
There could be a possible pre-1900 POD where the British were ok with greater immigration from China, or even up until the Warlord Period of the 1920's (a large push factor for emigration). I doubt that the Malays would be ok with this, even if the British were. You would see racial violence, already quite bad OTL, get worse during the 1950's and 1960's. I really don't see how Malays would accept a non-racially biased state post-independence, unless the British don't play divide-and-rule politics during the colonial era and Malay nationalism is somehow subdued to neutered.
 
There could be a possible pre-1900 POD where the British were ok with greater immigration from China, or even up until the Warlord Period of the 1920's (a large push factor for emigration). I doubt that the Malays would be ok with this, even if the British were. You would see racial violence, already quite bad OTL, get worse during the 1950's and 1960's. I really don't see how Malays would accept a non-racially biased state post-independence, unless the British don't play divide-and-rule politics during the colonial era and Malay nationalism is somehow subdued to neutered.
Couldn’t it be more de facto rule? Instead of being racial it’s more of a secular and religion issue? The Chinese rule(maybe with support from some of the local Indian population too?) due to the government being set up as a extremely secular government. Couldn’t you have a situation a bit like Algeria. Muslims can technically be normal citizens but the secular requirements and nature of the government turn many away from doing so?
 
Is it possible for the Chinese to become the dominant group in Malaysia?

Maybe.....

- Ethnic Malays revolt against British rule. Some poorly disciplined Malay rebel groups go on rampages against Chinese immigrants. This causes the group to firmly align with the British and Chinese communities form both self defense militias and contribure a disproportionate amount of volunteers to British raised formal regiments.

- The Malay revolt is put down. British then reward ethnic Chinese for their loyalty with military and senior governmental positions. Increased Cantonese immigration is tolerated as a means to reduce the possibility of another large scale revolt. The British also fragment Malay identity by encouraging recently acculturated indigenous groups to re-assert their old, non Malay ethnic identities. When possible, Christianity is introduced to recent Muslim converts in conjunction with any old ethnic identities.

The result after generations..... Ethnic Chinese dominate the military, government and the economy. They share Malaysia with ethnic Indians, Malays, and a significantly larger number of people in the "other" category.
 
Maybe.....


- The Malay revolt is put down. British then reward ethnic Chinese for their loyalty with military and senior governmental positions. Increased Cantonese immigration is tolerated as a means to reduce the possibility of another large scale revolt. The British also fragment Malay identity by encouraging recently acculturated indigenous groups to re-assert their old, non Malay ethnic identities. When possible, Christianity is introduced to recent Muslim converts in conjunction with any old ethnic identities.

In this scenario, I can see the British eradicating the Malay royal families, which would weaken any so-called Malay identity. However, the whole "introduce more Christianity" thing just doesn't sound like the British style. Maybe if Malaya was colonized by the Spanish, who crack down harshly on any Malay revolts and were more zealous in Christianize-ing the region. In OTL there were a few Malay revolts, with British governors killed and Malay kings exiled, but the British always take care not to exact too harsh punishments (to put this in perspective, the British were much more harsh on the leaders of the Irish Easter Rising compared to anything done on rebels in Malaya).
 
Couldn’t it be more de facto rule? Instead of being racial it’s more of a secular and religion issue? The Chinese rule(maybe with support from some of the local Indian population too?) due to the government being set up as a extremely secular government. Couldn’t you have a situation a bit like Algeria. Muslims can technically be normal citizens but the secular requirements and nature of the government turn many away from doing so?

The British attempted to set up a secular, non-racially biased government in the form of the Union of Malaya. It failed because the Malay's had accumulated a significant amount of political power in the decades beforehand, since they were chosen by the British to staff civil service jobs and the British always maintained the pretense that the kingdoms of Malaya were "their" country that the British were just helping them administer. Coupled with this was the Chinese's political apathy, as they were always more interested in commerce than political participation, precluding a unified political agenda on their part.

The weakness of the British, both materially and in the eyes of their colonial subjects, after their performance in the war meant that they were not able to impose their will on the form of the future State of Malaya.
 
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