Chinese Civil War like Spanish Civil War?

What would be the effect of the Facist countries giving more arms to Nationalist CHina or even sending volunteer corps? What would be the effect of the Communists receiving aid from the Soviet Union? The Communists would be in control of the Shanxi Province in order to be able to receive help from Russia though. Assuming that Chiang's victorious by 1939 what would he do next?
Kick out the japanese from manchuria?
What would be the implications for a possible Sino-German alliance and co-operation?
What would happen to Japanese-German relations since many of Chiang's troops are equipped with local copies of German and Italian equipment?
 
Pretty hard to do without the democrats and the dozens of shades of anarchist, communist, socialist, etc... thrown in.
Actually there somewhat was the democrats- and they served to split the nationalists in China whilst in Spain it was the communists weakening the democrats.

I suppose you'd need Japan more interested in informal control of China then actually controlling the coasts. They are the only 'fascists' nearby- no chance of Italy and Germany helping much.
 

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So a POD of Japan deciding instead of control, favorable trading partners? Some in Asia looked upon Japan favorably early on for the apperance of ending European Colonialism.

So Japan decides that Nat. Chinese is of course better then Commies. Shipping rifles, ammunition, supplies the Nationalists are given the chance to focus on defeating Mao and his guerillias. Say this starts in 1935, it would appear to work, but I believe at some point Japan would offer to send in troops to help.

If the Nationalists win Japanese companies move in and set up factories to "help" china. Japan of course is spreading out into all the island nations and European colonies by the time WWII starts. With no Chinese war draining all major resources, Pearl Habor doesn't happen, and Japan may end WWII as the major power in the East.
 
Fenwick said:
So a POD of Japan deciding instead of control, favorable trading partners? Some in Asia looked upon Japan favorably early on for the apperance of ending European Colonialism.

So Japan decides that Nat. Chinese is of course better then Commies. Shipping rifles, ammunition, supplies the Nationalists are given the chance to focus on defeating Mao and his guerillias. Say this starts in 1935, it would appear to work, but I believe at some point Japan would offer to send in troops to help.

If the Nationalists win Japanese companies move in and set up factories to "help" china. Japan of course is spreading out into all the island nations and European colonies by the time WWII starts. With no Chinese war draining all major resources, Pearl Habor doesn't happen, and Japan may end WWII as the major power in the East.

I can just see the implications here. Without Pearl Harbor, no US entering World War II, which could lead to a very different outcome of the war in Europe. It could drag on for years, before anybody would be willing to talk peace.
 

Fenwick

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Here is a timeline I made.

1934- Japan sends military advisors and aide to Nationalist China.

1937- Nat. China still is unable to deal with Communist Guerillias makes a request for additional aide. What they get is a full division of troops, with air support, and a few dozen tanks.

1941- The actions of Germany, lead Japan to decide now is the time to take control of the Pacfic.

1943- Mao is hung outside Beijing, effectivly breaking the Chinese communist forces into multiple groups.

1944- The philipines has alarge Japanese funded independence movement.

1945- the Soviet Union crosses into Poland. Churchill decides on opening a second front to stop the Red Menace from controlling Europe.

1946- Nazi Germany is taken over fully once the XXth tank army reaches the Rhine river.

1947- England, and the other European powers make peace with Japan, letting them keep all they have conquered, so they may focus on the Soviet Union fully. The Philipines become indepenent American troops leaving, only to be quickly replaced by Japanese troops.

1948- The Toyko-Bejing accords are signed allowing the Empire of Japan economic, and military control of the Pacfic, as well as a allaince between the Republic of China and Empire of Japan.

1949- USA requests a new naval arms limitation treaty. No nation responds to its request, except for England who says it will limit its navy for assistance in its atomic weapons program.
 
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Er, how come the US seems to have given up so much land, even when they took care of the Japanese handily when they were fighting a two-front war in OTL?
 

Fenwick

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I drew the yellow ring to Japan's likey conquests on islands. America still holds most of its islands in the Pacific, but it lost the Philipines. The yellow line is just the extent of Japan's Empire.
 
Doubt the Japanese would get New Guinea- way too small a population to winge about imperialism.
In Malaysia- the movement for independance only really arose after the Japanese conquest where the people decided there was no point being part of a empire that couldn't defend them. Without Japan taking over directly they will remain loyal to Britain.

For Europe- probally about right if the German's keep on fighting. One possible interesting possible occurance is the army manages to get rid of Mr.H and take over- it then allies itself with the allies against the soviets.
 
Without the Japanese invading China in the 30s there will be no oil embargo, so there will be no need for the Japanese to conquor the NEI for the oil, so the Japanese won't attack the Western colonial empires, so the Japanese won't have power in SE Asia
 
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