China in a Nazi victory scenario

As we all know, China's is left rather vague in Fatherland.

I was wondering, what would happen to china if the Nazis did win WW2?
 
Be reduced to a civil-war wracked wasteland. Either Mao will secure power with greater difficulty in OTL or Chiang will persevere. It all depends on how Mao decides to play his cards, and how important you think Soviet supplies were in his gaining power.
 
It could really go either way in the Chinese Civil War. It is mentioned that the regime there is very harsh which leads me to think that Mao still won. Stalin has every reason to support Mao since he has no allies in Europe, perhaps we get more effort in turning Korea red entirely before the Americans get in there and the experienced Red Army can crush the Nationalists. OTOH the USSR has lost a lot of industry and the Nazis don't want to see another commie regime pop up. Maybe a communist north and Nationalist south which is courted by both the Nazis and Americans (I don't see the Americans supporting crazy socialist regimes against the Nazis regardless of what some think).
 
It could really go either way in the Chinese Civil War. It is mentioned that the regime there is very harsh which leads me to think that Mao still won. Stalin has every reason to support Mao since he has no allies in Europe, perhaps we get more effort in turning Korea red entirely before the Americans get in there and the experienced Red Army can crush the Nationalists. OTOH the USSR has lost a lot of industry and the Nazis don't want to see another commie regime pop up. Maybe a communist north and Nationalist south which is courted by both the Nazis and Americans (I don't see the Americans supporting crazy socialist regimes against the Nazis regardless of what some think).

Like the crazy Stalinist regime in the Soviet Union? If America has already joined the war, and is an emeny of the Nazis, then I do think it will be like the USSR-USA relationship. It may be a little worse, though, if the USA does decide to support the nationalists, but I don't think that if the Nazis won the USA would try and provoke a war with the USSR, since this butterflys the Cold war. If the Chinese Civil War goes roughly as per OTL, with the idiot nationalists attacking the Communists mid-Japanese invasion, then I think the Communists will still get public support and win.
 

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Perhaps never unified, Nationalists, Communists and Warlord continue to fight for dominance, but no one come up on top. Mega Somalia.
 
As uncreative as it is, I'm actually going to defend its placement in a Fatherland mod because while the Japanese fell for some reason their puppet states remained on the mainland (probably because the Soviets are too busy trying to survive to expand). Manchukuo + Mengjiang + whatever was placed under the rule of Puyi, and so the Qing survived.

Actually, that idea is kinda amusing to me. The only reason why the Imperial Chinese system survives is because of foreign meddling. How poetic.
 
Japan would control most of the populated eastern half under a puppet government, Tibet, Uigurstan and Inner Mongolia would be independent or fractured into warlord fiefdoms.
 
As uncreative as it is, I'm actually going to defend its placement in a Fatherland mod because while the Japanese fell for some reason their puppet states remained on the mainland (probably because the Soviets are too busy trying to survive to expand). Manchukuo + Mengjiang + whatever was placed under the rule of Puyi, and so the Qing survived.

Actually, that idea is kinda amusing to me. The only reason why the Imperial Chinese system survives is because of foreign meddling. How poetic.
I'm going to undefend it by noting that, quite frankly, Manchukuo was not in a position to take advantage of the situation, nor was Puyi in a position to take control of Manchukuo. Remove the Japanese, Manchukuo falls. Don't remove them, and Puyi is not in control of his own life, let alone the state he is nominal head of.
 
I suspect, that without Soviet aid, Mao's victory would take a lot longer, but eventually he or his successor would have reunified China. The Nationalists were a little crooked and I think they had more of a hold in the cities, while the Reds controlled the countryside. My money would be on Mao.
 
As uncreative as it is, I'm actually going to defend its placement in a Fatherland mod because while the Japanese fell for some reason their puppet states remained on the mainland (probably because the Soviets are too busy trying to survive to expand). Manchukuo + Mengjiang + whatever was placed under the rule of Puyi, and so the Qing survived.

Actually, that idea is kinda amusing to me. The only reason why the Imperial Chinese system survives is because of foreign meddling. How poetic.

If know anything about what Japan did in China you’ll know that there is no chance in hell of the Japanese puppet nations surviving without foreign bayonets to prop them up. Puyi would be ripped to shreds by his ‘’subjects’’ within a day. No amount of Qing-wank can save the abomination that was Manchukuo. As for it was Mengjiang it was even more of a joke state than Manchuko.

Now I for one view the KMT as a rotting carcass by 1945. Even if Mao doesn’t get Manchuria, he has popular support in the countryside and an army whose leadership, morale and training is far superior to Chiang’s rabble even through it was outnumbered 4 to 1 at the start of the civil war the KMT still fell apart very quickly. Chiang just couldn’t deal with the PLA either in guerrilla warfare or in open battle.
 
My Nazi success TL sez:

While riding the tube, Bob read in his newspaper about tensions between the Chinese fragment states, the US, and rump, nonnuclear USSR. The article pointed out that, of those in the tensions, only the United States was a nuclear state.
That's because the USSR gets alot smaller and can't help out much. The US does help, but our help was directed to a corrupt fool with no help of winning the civil war.

Note - my TL's necessarily pretty different from OTL to get plausibility into a German European win. The POD's decades in advance, 1901 - only one year across the AH border.
 
Since the Fatherland TL also didn't butterfly away the Beatles, Mao may indeed be the head of China. The book is set in the early sixties - shortly after the Great Leap Forward IOTL.
 
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