China - Eastern partner of the Axis

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I'm not sure I see the POD here; unless Japan is significantly stronger than OTL, allying with China when much of its territory is occupied by Japan makes no sense.

I think you meant much weaker. But anyways, it does put the US in a pickle if FDR still provokes Japan into war again.
 
Bumping. I'd like to know if anyone is interested in this thread still, and whether people think what I've wrote is plausible.

My opinion - I like it but I think the Chinese actions in the north (Mongolia and Manchuria) are unwise.

Elements in the USA were very pro-Chinese (or, at least, pro-business with China) for decades before WWII.

China as Germany's ally...well, the USA was very reluctant to enter the war prior to Pearl Harbour; combine the absence of Pearl Harbour with the vocal pro-China lobby and the USA might end up staying neutral despite Roosevelt's wishes.

As for a Soviet-China war? Invading China via Sinkiang or Mongolia would be...suboptimal for the Red Army to say the least. The existing railway lines, etc. run through Japanese controlled Manchuria. A reasonably competent Chiang or Hitler should be trying to keep Japan neutral while Hitler wins in the west and China ties down European forces by pushing into the Burma-Indochina region. Leave Japan for later.

With Japan and the USA neutral the Axis probably have the best correlation of force in the War they're likely to get. It all depends on whether the Soviet Union goes down or not.
 

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The best way for this to come about is if Britain maitains the the Anglo-Japanese Alliance and sells Japan oil or tries to anyway.

And for any America Joins Nazi Germany timeline, you need to give FDR the boot. Either kill him off early on or have him lose the 1936 election to someone Anti-Communist.
 

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The Chinese are well know for the brutal efficiency of chinese five year plans, to build heavy industry and copy technology.
 

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The Fascists in Germany turned over a pretty mean pace of development, in there pre WW2 5 year plans as well.
Assuming that the Chinese 5 year plan was modled on the German one.
 
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Bumping. I'd like to know if anyone is interested in this thread still, and whether people think what I've wrote is plausible.

I am interested, however, I feel like we are jumping all the time. The TL needs more detail and nuance, if you flesh out your ideas you can create a very good and interesting history. Pausabilitywise, I think that it is possible if everything works according to plan, and that does not happen very often.
 
But it does nothing to occupy the British fleet and attention on the threat to British Far East and India. Much less to threaten Australia so much that they felt it necessary to withdraw their forces from Europe.

And I don't think Germans ever planned for Japanese to lash out against the US. At the most the Germans wanted the Japanese threaten or attack the British interests in the Far East and draw RN there in order to protect India, hoping this makes life easier for the Axis all around. Hitler had plans for the Japanese but he made them according to his needs, while Japanese also had plans for themselves, not necessarily corresponding to German thinking.
 
kclcmd said:
I suspect that the Imperial Japanese Army militants will object to losing any more territory that they had fought & Conquered, bled and died for the Empire of Japan since the late 1890s....
Which they'd mainly had to give back already...& were pissed with the West about.
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It would also be a great loss of face, honour and prestige If Imperial Japan had to 'give' back Manchuria to Chiang's Mainland China Gov't...
Which, if China is stronger beginning in 1930, Japan won't be taking in the first place...:rolleyes:
BBadolato said:
an unholy alliance between Japan and the Soviet Union?
I find that extremely improbable. More likely IMO there's a major war between Japan & the SU in the '37-9 timeframe, around the time of OTL Marco Polo Bridge or Nomonhan. Which would benefit Germany...
 
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agreed on latter point. A more devastating defeat of the Kwantung Army could tip the Sino-Japanese war in favor of the communists, resulting in earlier communist gains than IOTL.
 
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