China dissolved by European powers and Japan during late 19th century

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What next? The Boxers on steroids. (The pun wasn't intended but it works nicely).
Should I repeat: half of the Chinese in occupied/annexed territories are in fact allied to the Euros/Japs, and actually ruled by their own warlords/factions.
And what actually stopped the combined might of British, French, Russian, German, and Japanese armies from crushing those "Boxers on the Steroids"?

Over 1/3 of the wealth of the world was centered in China just a few decades before the POD and more people will live in China (over 300 Million) than in Europe, more than twice that number.
Similar with India: far, far larger wealth and population than Britain, yet the Raj was able to...well, yeah...
If one power could hold onto India, why several powers couldn't hold onto China?
 
One problem with holding on to China relative to India: China is a united polity.

India...is a multitude of princedoms with a dismal history of unity (meaning a long history of anything but). Not quite the same thing.

I wouldn't say you couldn't hold it for a time and to some extent, but I'm not sure India is a good example of how.
 
Yes, China can stay like that, the question is how.

Short of killing Chinese in carload lots with the full power of a European industrialized state and a Tacitean kind of peace, the question is "Who would be that stupid as to even try".

Apparently china is inevitable and will always outsmart and outfight the foreign devils. Non Chinese barbarians could never possibly understand this....

China was Europe's technological superior for so long and the limits of European power projection are in some ways geographically pre-ordained such that a Second Sino-Japanese style overextended occupation is the maximum scenario of luck for any would-be colonizer. The Imperial Japanese Army never lost a battle, it overran China's major ports and cities, and used some horrific methods in misguided attempts to convince the Chinese that resistance was futile.

And that still didn't suffice.

Should I repeat: half of the Chinese in occupied/annexed territories are in fact allied to the Euros/Japs, and actually ruled by their own warlords/factions.
And what actually stopped the combined might of British, French, Russian, German, and Japanese armies from crushing those "Boxers on the Steroids"?

The Imperial Japanese Army won virtually every single fight with the warlords, GMD, and Maoists it fought. It overran much of China worth having. None of this gained it permanent control and to judge by the outcome of the land battles in the Franco-Chinese War relative to the First Sino-Japanese War European armies were more ineffectual against the Chinese than the Japanese were, while the post-WWI era is not a good time for any Europeans to gain large and hostile new colonies.


Similar with India: far, far larger wealth and population than Britain, yet the Raj was able to...well, yeah...
If one power could hold onto India, why several powers couldn't hold onto China?

Impose divide and conquer and exploit the implosion of a native empire and disintegrated overnight when the British myth of invincibility died at the hands of General Yamashita's outnumbered and outgunned IJA force.
 
China was Europe's technological superior for so long and the limits of European power projection are in some ways geographically pre-ordained such that a Second Sino-Japanese style overextended occupation is the maximum scenario of luck for any would-be colonizer. The Imperial Japanese Army never lost a battle, it overran China's major ports and cities, and used some horrific methods in misguided attempts to convince the Chinese that resistance was futile.

And that still didn't suffice.

The very reason why the Japanese lose the Second Sino-Japanese war: United States.
It wasn't China who defeated Japan, it was America.

Now, if USA was never involved, who said that Japan couldn't assimilate and "Japanify" Manchuria, Korea, and Taiwan, turn Mongolia, Xinjiang, and Tibet into pro-Japanese puppets, while leaving the rest of China as divided, warring states?

Oh, and gentlemen, you might notice that I deliberately refuse to respond to sarcasms: it makes me tired as hell.
 
Similar with India: far, far larger wealth and population than Britain, yet the Raj was able to...well, yeah...
If one power could hold onto India, why several powers couldn't hold onto China?

India was a perfect storm for Britain- everything came together perfectly for them in the late 18th and early 19th C. Northern India hadn't reached a new political equilibrium after the collapse of the Mughals, Southern India was also in a state of turmoil which was linked to the collapse of Northern India, the Napoleonic Wars left Britain the dominant external power in South Asia, leaving Indian states without the opportunity to play the Europeans off against each other (which is what had been happening). If you actually look at all the factors involved in Britain's dominance of India, it becomes apparent that just a few slight changes would have made it impossible. Britain's apparent dominance in India was actually extremely fragile and, in fact, from the Mutiny onwards was essentially doomed- it just took 90 years. It was an unlikely situation that worked out- it's even less likely that an equally fortunate series of events will occur in China.
 
Simple fact: You cannot destroy over four thousand years of history in... what, a few decades? Over 1/3 of the wealth of the world was centered in China just a few decades before the POD and more people will live in China (over 300 Million) than in Europe, more than twice that number.

Very well said.
 
Let's say the European powers and Japan just go along with "WTF let's conquer it because we can!!!" attitude toward China, sometime in 1890s, which was aided by the fact that there is a bigger and more devastating ATL civil war in Qing Dynasty several years before.

The British get provinces around Yangtze river, the Germans get provinces around Shandong peninsula, and the French get Guangzhou and other southern provinces. The control of Manchuria is disputed by Russia (who get Mongolia and Xinjiang) and Japan (who get Korea and Taiwan), but it then agreed by both that Manchuria will become de facto independent, Russian protectorate with some Japanese influence. The other notable independent state is Tibet (British protectorate).

So...China is cease to exist, its provinces become various European and Japanese colonies/protectorates...what next?

idiots You canot destroy Thousands years of history in what? Decades.

Even those like me Indonesian Chinese Diaspora Still has Loyalty to China in places where the assimilation of Chinese to local are best
then what in Africa? or America? or Europe?
 
wait I just realize you necro 3 years old thread...
where is Calbear?

Oh, wait, holy shit this is a three year old thread.

Alright my apologies, I had a bunch of tabs on the forum left open, this one from a Google search for misc maps; I was almost certain I saw this earlier this morning. I've been really bloody out of it the last few days.
 
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