China Ceding Taiwan to Germany

[Clandango]

Do you have any links to where the translations of those notes are?

 

[scholar]

Do you have any links to where the translations of those notes are?

Me? Most of what I said does not require notes, just argumentation.

The twenty-one demands can be found on wikipedia, where the date is the most telling since it first in 1915, well after the Sino-Japanese war.

If you are referring to direct trade between Germany and China, that is more of an educated guess considering the situation at the time. By time of the Republic, Germany was one of China's most prominent trading partner - about fourth or fifth after Britain, the US, Japan, and possibly either Russia or France. Wikipedia has it at #2, but that seems ridiculous given the context of the situation. What does make sense is that the German-Asiatic bank, which appeared to constitute the most substantial of German investments in China, was not formed until 1885, and did not start to accumulate substantial wealth until it started expanding.

In this timeline, one would assume a POD around the time of German economic expansion in China, at a time when China is becoming increasingly valuable - but when Germany itself is still not significantly involved. Further, the German economy was dominated by European and American trade. China, while profitable, was no where near the substantial share of its economy that it was to Japan at any point post-Meiji.

 

[zeppelinair]

Me? Most of what I said does not require notes, just argumentation.

The twenty-one demands can be found on wikipedia, where the date is the most telling since it first in 1915, well after the Sino-Japanese war.

If you are referring to direct trade between Germany and China, that is more of an educated guess considering the situation at the time. By time of the Republic, Germany was one of China's most prominent trading partner - about fourth or fifth after Britain, the US, Japan, and possibly either Russia or France. Wikipedia has it at #2, but that seems ridiculous given the context of the situation. What does make sense is that the German-Asiatic bank, which appeared to constitute the most substantial of German investments in China, was not formed until 1885, and did not start to accumulate substantial wealth until it started expanding.

In this timeline, one would assume a POD around the time of German economic expansion in China, at a time when China is becoming increasingly valuable - but when Germany itself is still not significantly involved. Further, the German economy was dominated by European and American trade. China, while profitable, was no where near the substantial share of its economy that it was to Japan at any point post-Meiji.

I methinks he meant the "notes" mentioned in the OP.

 

[Clandango]

Sorry, should have quoted the post. I meant the first post, referring to the Kaiser's personal papers. That is the sort of stuff that makes a very good read.

 

[ZhugeLiang]

Me? Most of what I said does not require notes, just argumentation.

The twenty-one demands can be found on wikipedia, where the date is the most telling since it first in 1915, well after the Sino-Japanese war.

If you are referring to direct trade between Germany and China, that is more of an educated guess considering the situation at the time. By time of the Republic, Germany was one of China's most prominent trading partner - about fourth or fifth after Britain, the US, Japan, and possibly either Russia or France. Wikipedia has it at #2, but that seems ridiculous given the context of the situation. What does make sense is that the German-Asiatic bank, which appeared to constitute the most substantial of German investments in China, was not formed until 1885, and did not start to accumulate substantial wealth until it started expanding.

In this timeline, one would assume a POD around the time of German economic expansion in China, at a time when China is becoming increasingly valuable - but when Germany itself is still not significantly involved. Further, the German economy was dominated by European and American trade. China, while profitable, was no where near the substantial share of its economy that it was to Japan at any point post-Meiji.

If Germany had more concessions in China, it would inevitably have more trade in China. That's literally the purpose of a concession - to trade.

 

[scholar]

If Germany had more concessions in China, it would inevitably have more trade in China. That's literally the purpose of a concession - to trade.

Yes, but we've established it was not the territorial concessions that led to the China boycott of Japanese goods. Then I put forward the real possibility of both using third parties to mediate trade between the two, and the use of Taiwan's own native production of Chinese products.

 

[scholar]

I methinks he meant the "notes" mentioned in the OP.

Sorry, should have quoted the post. I meant the first post, referring to the Kaiser's personal papers. That is the sort of stuff that makes a very good read.

Ah, sorry about that. I was a bit confused.

 

[Clandango]

If Germany had more concessions in China, it would inevitably have more trade in China. That's literally the purpose of a concession - to trade.

The Americans were prevented form having a treaty port by the Japanese threatening the Chinese, but that didn't stop them from having loads of trade. Still, they did have Manila as a stopping off base, as well as access to the international areas.