Children of Israel

"Good evening, citizens of the Greater German Reich" greeted the masked man toting a gun on the television set.

"My name is of no importance to you. However, the cause for which I fight for is."

"For years, your government have been persecuting my people. "Who are my people?", you may ask. My people are the descendants of Israel. The people you call 'Jews'."

"Your history textbooks claim that we are the filthy animals that helped the November Criminals cause Germany's downfall. I tell you the truth, your government was lying to you."

"Decades ago, we coexisted peacefully with your forefathers. Our wealth and intellect, we gave to help Germany prosper. In times of war, we fought and died for Germany like what any loyal German would have done. We mourned with you when the injustices of the Treaty of Versailles descended upon the Fatherland. We have done so much for Germany, but what did your government do to us? They exterminated my people!"

The masked man in the television screen was replaced by a slideshow images of the now defunct Auschwitz concentration camp in Poland. He continued to speak as the pictures of death and desolation flashed across the screen.

"Again," continued the man "your textbooks claim that we were evacuated to the East. To Poland and to Ukraine."

"They were right. However, the pictures that you see before you is what your textbooks do not tell you. And to think, this is how your government rewards loyal citizens of Germany."

The last picture in ths slideshow faded to show the masked man. This time, there was a blue Star of David on a white wall behind the man.

"Starting tonight, the wrath of God will descend upon this wretched empire. The Children of Israel demands of the government of the Greater German Reich two things: One, it must acknowledge the crimes it commited against my forefathers and make a public apology to the world. Two, it must pay 40 billion Reichsmarks to the Jewish people and contribute to the establishment of a Jewish homeland within the Reich. It must have unrestricted access to the sea and be accorded all the rights of any free nation in the world."

"Until these demands are met, the wrath of the almighty God on high will smite the persecutors of His people with His mighty hand."

"I wish you a very pleasent evening"

The television screen turned black abruptly. The black was soon replaced by the Reich Eagle on a grey background with nothing but high pitched noise blasting from the speakers. It too was then replaced by the regularly scheduled programming that was supposed to be showing at 8:15pm on a Thursday night.

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This headline was taken from the Berliner Beobachter on Friday, 16th September 1960.

Car bomb explodes outside OKW Headquaters in Berlin
17 dead, over 88 injured.
Terrorist group "Children
of Israel" claim responsibility.
 
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Keenir

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"Good evening, citizens of the Greater German Reich" greeted the masked man toting a gun on the television set.


This headline was taken from the Berliner Beobachter on Friday, 16th September 1960.

Car bomb explodes outside OKW Headquaters in Berlin
17 dead, over 88 injured.
Terrorist group "Children
of Israel" claim responsibility

Nazis don't strike me as the sort who'd take orders from terrorists.

Expect massive reprisals both official (increased executions and arrests) and unofficial (anyone the public so much as thinks is a Jew or thinks favorably of Jews, they'll have their businesses and homes go up in flames after losing all they own)
 
Nazis don't strike me as the sort who'd take orders from terrorists.

Expect massive reprisals both official (increased executions and arrests) and unofficial (anyone the public so much as thinks is a Jew or thinks favorably of Jews, they'll have their businesses and homes go up in flames after losing all they own)

What if the Nazis were faced with the prospect of a nuke blowing up in their faces?

Where are they based? Who is funding them?

Are they analogous to any terrorist organizations from OTL?

The Children of Israel are based in Germany with branches all over Occupied Europe. They receive funding from Jews in free nations world wide. Note that this is set in a timeline where the Third Reich survives, but the Japanese Empire doesn't.

As for the group that it is based on, it is tentatively the Tamil tigers, although it may change over time.
 
Have the Germans enforced anti-semitism throughout the Reich, and amongst her allies? I ask because I'm pretty sure that anti-semitism wasn't prevalent in Italy, though I must confess to relative ignorance about how it thrived in fascist Spain.
 

Keenir

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What if the Nazis were faced with the prospect of a nuke blowing up in their faces?

What the Assyrians couldn't finish, the Germans will.



The Children of Israel are based in Germany with branches all over Occupied Europe. They receive funding from Jews in free nations world wide.

This will reinforce stereotypes and harden others towards the Jews.....after all, in TTL, the Jews are responsible for mass casualties and human suffering.
 

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Dang! So the idea of Jews terrorising Nazi Germany with guerilla tactics is implausible?

Guerrilla tactics are kind of hard when no one will hide you are support you. The Nazis in a Nazi-victory scenario are in total control of the nation, so any Jewish groups operating on German soil are going to find it extremely difficult to function. Now if this were in an occupied territory like Russia, then things get more interesting.
 
Guerrilla tactics are kind of hard when no one will hide you are support you. The Nazis in a Nazi-victory scenario are in total control of the nation, so any Jewish groups operating on German soil are going to find it extremely difficult to function. Now if this were in an occupied territory like Russia, then things get more interesting.

Don't forget about the anti-Nazi elements that still exist in Germany. There are people like the Edelweiss Pirates or those who picked up from the remnants of the White Rose movement, only that they've gone underground. Chances are, they will hide the Jews and render aid to them.

This will reinforce stereotypes and harden others towards the Jews.....after all, in TTL, the Jews are responsible for mass casualties and human suffering.

Oh, by the way, what stereotypes of Jews do you speak of?
 
I'm going to just accept that eventually even the fanatical Nazis will give in and cede land to create Israel, to save themselves from extinction. The question I have is, where in the Reich is the new state to be? Unfortunately, the new Israel will have to be located in a cold place; no part of Germany is warm enough for the kibbutzim and their citrus and olive orchards. Some of the Jews would probably prefer a piece of one of the Med countries, maybe France or Italy, but The Germans are the ones most guilty of the Holocaust, and it's the Germans who will have to cede land as reparation.
Hamburg or Bremen would be nice to have, as the center of the new state. But between the territory ceded to form Israel, and the areas devastated and poisoned by radiation, many Reich citizens are going to be crowded into a much smaller country. Presumably the Reich will indemnify itself by seizing more lands from one of its vassal states, to create lebensraum.
Unfortunately, this outcome leaves both the Reich and Israel in a very untenable position, geographically. They hate each other so much that it's unlikely either country could ever learn to live in peace. There'll always be rabid Nazis dreaming of extinguishing the Jewish state, and warlike Zionists, eager to shed yet more German blood.
 
I suspect that Germany might face terrorism in the East, where Slavs might attempt desperate resistance. But the Jews--they'd be mostly wiped out. Furthermore, Nazi Germany isn't going to hold back on the whole secret police.

If Jews attempt these kinds of actions, Nazi Reprisials are going to be overkill. Count on Auschwitz getting another furnace for this one. That's going to be the answer.
 

Keenir

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Don't forget about the anti-Nazi elements that still exist in Germany.

how sympathetic would these anti-Nazi folks be to people who blow up German civilians?

There are people like the Edelweiss Pirates or those who picked up from the remnants of the White Rose movement, only that they've gone underground. Chances are, they will hide the Jews and render aid to them.

ah. I thought the White Rose folks would've figured out how to pick their battles - but if they want their throats slit by SS (and their kids incinerated), then by all means, let them support the people with bulls-eyes on their backs.


Oh, by the way, what stereotypes of Jews do you speak of?

the ones that Hitler spoke of to garner support for "removing" the Jews from Germany.

ie, the Jews are troublemakers, they're subhuman (and terrorism which kills civilians isn't going to prove that wrong)
 
Thing is, the Nazis have already committed themselves to the eradication of these elements entirely. This isn't a situation like South Africa or the United States, where the ruling government would stop before it would resort to wiping out the entire population. Nazi Germany doesn't have very much decency in general, and essentially none in dealing with the Jews.

This is already a state that's killing Jews as a matter of scientific inquiry and is committed to killing each and every one of them. To put it bluntly, whatever Jewish population that survives in the Third Reich is going to be that which either conceals the truth or that which still holds value to the nation. Neither of these groups would dare attempt resistance against the Reich.

The use of Nuclear Terrorism against Germany is going to lead to dire consequences in the wrong direction. Germany is going to throw out any reforms it has made in accommodating the Jews, if any, and going to turn Auschwitz back on again.

In addition, no nation in the world is going to stand behind the Jews who are CHUCKING NUKES. Because that's how one starts a NUCLEAR WAR, and were it to happen, I think the result might well be global antisemitism.
 
I'm going to just accept that eventually even the fanatical Nazis will give in and cede land to create Israel, to save themselves from extinction. The question I have is, where in the Reich is the new state to be? Unfortunately, the new Israel will have to be located in a cold place; no part of Germany is warm enough for the kibbutzim and their citrus and olive orchards. Some of the Jews would probably prefer a piece of one of the Med countries, maybe France or Italy, but The Germans are the ones most guilty of the Holocaust, and it's the Germans who will have to cede land as reparation.
Hamburg or Bremen would be nice to have, as the center of the new state. But between the territory ceded to form Israel, and the areas devastated and poisoned by radiation, many Reich citizens are going to be crowded into a much smaller country. Presumably the Reich will indemnify itself by seizing more lands from one of its vassal states, to create lebensraum.
Unfortunately, this outcome leaves both the Reich and Israel in a very untenable position, geographically. They hate each other so much that it's unlikely either country could ever learn to live in peace. There'll always be rabid Nazis dreaming of extinguishing the Jewish state, and warlike Zionists, eager to shed yet more German blood.

If the Jews Nuke Germany, Germany has the right to respond with nukes of its own. If that means a USA/German Nuclear exchange, I suppose the USA would NOT support the Jewish community.

Once the Jews try a nuclear hit, expect Jews to get wiped out of Europe minimum.
 
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