Chiang Kai-Shek ruled China

How would it affect the Cold war if Chiang Kai-Shek won the Chinese Civil War? How would it affect the treatment of the Uyghurs and would there be an invasion of Tibet? Would China be an ally of USA or be rival of it like Mao was after Stalin to the USSR.
 
Chiang opposed any form of separatism, though he might allow for increased autonomy.

Chiang would be closer to the US than the USSR, but he's still going to be independently-minded. Interestingly enough he never liked Britain, and his relations with the European colonial powers probably won't be great.
 
Chiang opposed any form of separatism, though he might allow for increased autonomy.

Chiang would be closer to the US than the USSR, but he's still going to be independently-minded. Interestingly enough he never liked Britain, and his relations with the European colonial powers probably won't be great.

Influencing Indonesia is an option?
 
Corrupt, (theoretically) socialist one party state with lots of nationalism so basically OTL's PRC minus communist iconography plus depending on how the government's evolution goes it may be more or less socialistic than OTL's PRC.
 

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How would it affect the treatment of the Uyghurs and would there be an invasion of Tibet?

There would be complete opposition to political manifestations of separatism, but there would not be the same phobia of religion. Probably an easier situation for the Uighurs, in particular.
 

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Corrupt, (theoretically) socialist one party state with lots of nationalism so basically OTL's PRC minus communist iconography plus depending on how the government's evolution goes it may be more or less socialistic than OTL's PRC.
OTL's PRC without the maoist insanity, of course
 
what I mean is, it would be a saner country, seeing as there is no Mao

What'd be more interesting is seeing how it'd work with Zhou Enlai in power. Chiang's 'saner' country would've been a complete and utter wreck like Taiwan was up until democracy took over the country.
 
The real problem with a Chiang victory is that he could never achieve total victory. There will be parts of the country under left wing insurgency rule today. What made Mao dispicable was also what made him effective. After his win, he consolidated victory by brutally destroying any possible support for the old guard. It’s unlikely Chiang could do the same, and this will not lead to peaceful nation building. China may remain the same chaotic mess it had been for a century prior.

People like to think China would be a bigger Taiwan, or South Korea. But it could easily have been the Phillipines with it’s own Marcos instead of Mao.
 
The real problem with a Chiang victory is that he could never achieve total victory. There will be parts of the country under left wing insurgency rule today. What made Mao dispicable was also what made him effective. After his win, he consolidated victory by brutally destroying any possible support for the old guard. It’s unlikely Chiang could do the same, and this will not lead to peaceful nation building. China may remain the same chaotic mess it had been for a century prior.

People like to think China would be a bigger Taiwan, or South Korea. But it could easily have been the Phillipines with it’s own Marcos instead of Mao.
A KMT China probably would've looked like a massive Nigeria. A developing country with almost continuous military rule, and major problems with separatists insurgencies try to break off and rebels trying to overthrow the government. The application of Sun Yixian's 3 principles are pretty vague. Nationalism, democracy and the people's livelihood could mean anything from Georgism to fascism to a eastern-bloc style command economy.
The KMT had no ideology between anti-communism and personal enrichment, but they probably would've ruled with a military-dominated strong state with some social programs, a cult of personality around a strong leader, and vaguely socialistic rhetoric.
 
Many people just assume that a KMT China will simply be a giant version of OTL’s Taiwan, it would probably be a richer, more authoritarian India. Tibet would probably be better off as Chiang would likely have offered the Dalai Lama some kind of deal in which his religious authority was recognised in return for his acquiescence to Chinese rule.
 
why would it be awful?

The Republic of China was an authoritarin strongman state, corrupt down to the core of it. Under Chiang's regime, they detonated dams and caused a massive flooding across the Yangtze to counter the Japanese, instigated massive political purges against any potential rival to Chiang's regime, slaughtered thousands based on scorched earth policies, and worse. The KMT post-purge planned to create a one-party authoritarian state under the guise of 'guided democracy', where they'd 'transition' from a military dictatorship to a supposed full democracy to which history would show us the KMT had no interest in doing so. And even then, Chiang was willing to imperialize other countries to maintain a Greater China policy, and a roadmap of everything that'd have made a Republic of China a living hell.
 
Chiang becomes an awful leader, but not a "murder millions upon millions of your own countrymen" level awful leader. Eventually theres some kind of coup, more and more democratic reforms taken place, and without the wide scale religious purges and neo-Confuscianism of mao, China becomes a true economic, cultural, spiritual etc rival to the US.
 
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