Chiang Kai-Shek goes to Germany: An Axis China Timeline

Oh wow, this thread is alive. Happy 4th of July indeed.

But your updates had become so sparse that it took me some time to actually remember the plot. lol

You're perhaps one of the few writers that can get the readers to root for the Nazis without feeling guilty about it. The Allies in TTL (Entente) are far less rationale to claim the moral high ground than they have in OTL, making that objective (rooting for Hitler and his allies) much easier. (Plus the US is just sitting back and enjoying the show while this all goes on) :D
 
The National Revolutionary Air Force Mid-War
The National Revolutionary Air Force Mid-War

"...The opening salvo of the China Reunifcation War and the subsequent eruption of what was a regional conflict into the Second Great War had shown the limits of what a purely ground support focused air force could do. Following the entry of Great Britain and France on the Japanese side (The Entente) and the entry of Italy and Germany into the Chinese side (The Axis) - the conflict took on a global dimension which means that the nascent National Revolutionary Air Force had to adapt - or get left behind..."

"The main challenge that the National Revolutionary Air Force faced was to protect Chinese industry, Chinese forces and Chinese cities from the now daily air raids being conducted. Air Marshall Feng Ru had to do this while updating the equipment, doctrines and techniques of the NRAF from one focussed on ground support to one focused on air defense and interdiction.

The equipment of the NRAF was most desperately in need of updating. The FR V was too slow to chase bombers and perhaps more relevant - unable to even climb to the altitudes most of the British bombers operated in. Trials had already begun in 1937 of the German plane Messerschmidt B.F 109 aircraft. Feng Ru and Chiang accelerated this process and the FR VI (as the licensed copy of the BF 109 was known in China) started entering mass production in early 1939 with front-line units being equipped with the new fighter from mid-1939 (contrary to some other sources that say that the FR VI entered service in 1938 - this was impossible as teething problems with the German DB 601 engine meant that it did not become available until 1939) The FR V would be modified and continued to be produced as a ground attack aircraft, but the FR VI would be the NRAF's frontline fighter from here on until the end of the war. The FR VI-a1 was the early model fighter which was equipped with 4 7.92mm machine-guns (two in the wing, two in the nose.) After some field experience with British bombers and Japanese zeros, the armament was upgraded to 3 x 20mm MG/FF cannon (two in the wings, 1 in the nose) and 2 x 7.92mm machine guns in the cowl in the updated FR VI-a2 which began to appear in numbers in late 1939. The FRVI-a2 would remain the NRAF fighter of choice until late 1942 when the FRVI-bs would make their appearance in large numbers (although the FRVI-a2 would get small upgrades for performance, the changes were never listed as a variant)

The strategic doctrine of the NRAF was modified to reflect the new priority of air defence. Although technically already independent of the National Revolutionary Army, the Air Force was organizationally embedded in the NRA, with it's squadrons being attached to Army Corps. Feng Ru decided to copy elements of the Luftwaffe's structure by re-organizing the NRAF into geographical districts called "Air Armies." These Air Armies would be headed by Air-Generals and have further subdivisions called Air Corps which would be headed by an Air-Colonel. These Air Corps would have responsibility for specific geographic areas within the area. The Air Corps would then be divided into Air Brigades, commanded by a Major with each airfield typically hosting one Air Brigade. Finally, these Air Brigades would consist of 5-10 squadrons which 5-10 planes each, typically commanded by a Lieutenant or Captain. This Air Squadron formed the basis of an air combat unit.

The final innovation that needed to be done was the air technique. The air acadamy curriculum was re-written to De-emphasize ground attack and focus on dog-fighting and air interdiction. This was intended to counter the phenomenon of NRAF pilots myopically ignoring air combat to focus on ground attack. While this was appreciated by the army who developed a saying "The Feng Rus will always get through," this caused high casualty rates on pilots. The lack of emphasis on air combat also meant that there were relatively few Chinese aces pre-1939.


The Air War:

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Manchurian schoolgirls wave goodbye to a Nakajima Ki-43 "Hayabusa" fighter using cherry blossoms provided by Japan in a propaganda photo.

China vs Japan

The NRAF was used to fighting Japan. The new FR VI-a1s and a2s were more than a match for Japanese Zeros and Hayabusa's it fought from the 1939-1941 period. While less manouverable than Zeros and Hayabusas, it was more heavily armed, could climb and cruise faster and retained energy better. Although initially, Japan claimed many victories due to the inexperienced Chinese pilots who attempted to turn-fight, once Chinese pilots adapted to Japanese tactics, they found scoring victories much easier and managed a roughly even fight. NRAF fighters could hack Japanese bombers out the sky relatively easily too without fighter escort.
 
Oh snap! This came out of nowhere! Nice update CCA!

Thanks man. No longer in elected office so have a lot more time now.

Nice, keep it up, don't make us wait another year for the next update :D

Haha, as you can see - that hasn't happened.

This is definitely not your ordinary WWII TL when you see Britain and Japan as co-belligerents against a German-allied China. Good to have this back!

In many ways, this conflict is just World War I Enhanced Edition.

It's live, It's live

And the war is going hard for all sided, but here british have zero sympathy card with norway fiasco(but germany loss with denmark a little too, at least molotov-ribbertop is still active and keep the eastern front safe) and in china they're figthing with nails and toes, but seems this one will resist as good as otl.

So what will the american do? it wan'st a surpise they have zero love for japanese but nazis are not in roosevelt friend list, even with china being the victim, unless one side do something stupid(like attacking neutral USA) they will not do something...hoping japanese being that idiot like OTL.

Thanks Nivek! Great to have you back on board. America is pretty much getting rich off the whole war, loaning massive sums to Germany, Italy, France, Britain and China to keep their war economies going through financing their deficit spending. This has financed US Recovery and rearnament. No side in this TL would be stupid enough to attack the US while their economies are being propped up by it.

Can you please post a link to all of your chapters?

I'll work on getting one done. It's a bit hard since I didn't leave a space for a table of index on the frontpage.

Oh wow, this thread is alive. Happy 4th of July indeed.

But your updates had become so sparse that it took me some time to actually remember the plot. lol

You're perhaps one of the few writers that can get the readers to root for the Nazis without feeling guilty about it. The Allies in TTL (Entente) are far less rationale to claim the moral high ground than they have in OTL, making that objective (rooting for Hitler and his allies) much easier. (Plus the US is just sitting back and enjoying the show while this all goes on) :D

This TL definitely showcases a more morally gray world. The shittiness of European colonialism in our world is overshadowed by the horrific atrocities of the Holocaust and Unit 371. By the end of the TL, I hope there'll be no one to root for :p
 
The Chinese National Revolutionary Air Force Part 2 (Mid-War)
I just realized that for some reason, the latter half didn't post.

The NRAF and Ground Support
One should not mistake the reorganization of the NRAF into an air defence focussed air force into abandonment of Ground Support. The FRV was seen to be a suitable close air support plane and used in the same capacity pre-reform, as a decent dive bomber and ground attack plane. The surplus NRAF FRVs also meant that China never really developed medium or heavy bombers. There was no production capacity to spare and anyway, Airships were intended to fulfill that function.

The NRAF and Strategic Bombing
Postwar analysts would deride NRAF's obsession with Airships as a 'costly white elephant,' at a time when many Air forces had abandoned the formal use of Airships, China continued to invest and build more of them to use as bombers against Japan. The main advantage of Airships was that they could attain altitude that made it difficult for Japanese to engage in, more often than not, they could get away, release bombs and get away. However, on analysis - the NRAFs Airship bombing campaign was not strategically significant. There is no evidence that they damaged Japanese production in any meaningful way - there were too few of them. The failure to realize this and the continuation of investment in them was probably one of China's big mistakes in the Second Great War. It is true however that building airships did not really come at the expense of other type of production, the materials that Chinese airships used - reinforced wood, silk, helium - was not really used for any other aircraft. The propaganda value to them was also immense - while Chinese men, women and children were huddling and squatting in makeshift dugouts, they though they could take cold comfort in the fact that the Japanese were also doing the same thing.

The NRAF and anti-ship interdiction
Faced with the destruction of much of China's surface navy, the NRAF was also tasked with the unpleasant and difficult task of trying to prevent an invasion by sea and stop Franco-British-Japanese navies from mercilessly shelling Chinese coastal cities. This was not a task that the NRAF could do easily. It was already stretched to capacity trying to protect Chinese cities and Chinese armies from air attack and the impossible naval superiority of Entente forces meant that FRVs running bombing sorties had to go through a wall of flak and anti-aircraft fire. Air Marshall Feng Ru's assessment of the strategic situation was frank: "...The National Revolutionary Air Force will be unable to meaningfully interdict, repel or guard against any amphibious invasion..." The NRAF could probably make any amphibious invasion costly and expensive, but if the NRAF went all-out against an attempted invasion it would be "destroyed as a fighting force..."


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The MS. 406 was the main fighter encounted by FR Vs and VIs. Against the Vs, they dominated, but they struggled against the faster and more heavily armed VI variants.

China vs France
France treated the China front predominantly with disinterest. She was disinterested because her mortal foe and existential threat to her existence - Germany was only a stone's throw away compared to the more remote China. And France had only reluctantly declared war on China anyway, so she didn't have much in the fight. Although French forces made initial attacks in 1939, the front quickly settled into a stalemate after indecisive fighting. In fact, by the end of 1940 - there were more Japanese troops in Indochina than French, a fact greeted with alarm by some.

The air war was an extended reflection of this, with the Chinese front getting the dregs of French equipment. Old MS.406 fighters which were hacked out o the sky with ease in Germany were a staple here and they cut through old FR Vs with ease. However, when the upgraded FR VIs made their way to the frontlines, they would hack through MS.406s like hot knife through butter.





Britain vs China:



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Boston Defiants were one of the motley range of aircraft that Britain bought to bear against China in the opening stages of the Second Great War.


At the onset of the Second Great War, the China front was not seen by Britain as a 'priority' area. Colonialist attitudes lingered and it was seen very much as a 'colonial' conflict. So second-rate aircraft were stationed in the China front - aircraft such as the Gladiator, Boston Defiant, Fairey Battle, decent enough aircraft for their times - but 'obsolete' in Europe. It was a sign of how overstreched and obsolete the NRAF had become that these aircraft were able to compete at a competitive level - at least at the beginning.

As 1940 wore-on and more and more squadrons converted to the FR VI-a2, it became more necessary to prioritize modern aircraft to the China front. Hurricanes and Spitfires became common foes of the FR VI-a2s. The FR VI was an even match for the Hurricane, it was slightly faster, had guns and could climb faster - but the Hurricane could turn better, had a tougher airframe and more ammo. The Spitfire, on the other hand had the slight edge on the FR VI, being able to turn better, go faster and climb faster with the tradeoff being a light airframe (which the FR VIs cannons could demolish with ease)

The lack of opposition from the NRAF and conversely, the stiff German resistance to the RAF's strategic bombing campaign led to a discussion about bringing RAF's campaign from Germany to China. The conditions were right for it: close airfields, close proximity of Chinese industry and more importantly a growing sense of desperation and determination to end the stalemate by knocking out what Churchill saw as the Axis' 'weak link.' By the end of 1940, Churchill commissioned two studies: (1) If it was possible to destroy Chinese industry using Britain's Air Power. (2) A feasibility study on the use of an amphibious invasion to outflank Chinese forces...
 
umm... wow... excellent TL :D

Just finish reading all of this... too bad, no more updates for Chiang being further buddy-buddy with his ol'pal Hitler? :D

Looking forward for this!!! :)
 
i Think for Churchill Galipolli 2.0 will be his political end here, China here is far more powerful that Ottomans were and they are even more radical and motivated, and without Lend and Lease, unless Britain maange to convice soviets, they will face resource issues by 1941 at the minimum.
 
And, of course, both sides largely ignore the pair of 800-lb gorillas in the room(though for perfectly good reasons). If and when the US and USSR pick their sides, it's going to go downhill in a hurry for their opponents.
 
It'd be more than a little hilarious if Japan was stupid enough to somehow convince the United States to side with the Axis Powers.
 
It'd be more than a little hilarious if Japan was stupid enough to somehow convince the United States to side with the Axis Powers.

France/Britain would jettison them if there was even a mild danger of that happening, though. US is in an awkward position, though, since it'll be hard to ensure Germany and Japan both lose here.
 
Please keep up, I really like this TL and finished reading it in a day..

The popular support in UK and France for this war must be very very low....

Why would their countries declare war for the Japanese, some unrelated people thousands of miles away? Just plainly ridiculous. And would they care about the Chinese in Manchuria?
 

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I've been reading this the last few weeks, and I just finished. You've done a phenomenal job with this timeline!
 
1941: The European Front
1941: The European Front

The European Front

"...The fundamental lack of Italian action in the North African front was primarily due to politics. The commander of Italian forces in Libya was the popular and competent Governor of Libya - Italo Balbo. Balbo's popularity meant that Mussolini saw him as a potential rival. As a result, Mussolini stripped the Libyan front of much needed materiel, men and supplies and ordered Balbo to maintain a defensive posture. Jealous of the success of Italy's German allies in Scandinavia, Mussolini would seek Italian conquests in the Balkans..."

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(1) The Italian Naval Base at Taranto pictured. Not shown is the early warning systems established in the wake of the sinking of the Chinese Navy at port which led to Italian victory at Taranto.

"First however, Italy needed to get rid of a running sore on her foot. Malta had been under siege since Italian entry into the Second Great War and was now exposed due to British defeat at the Battle of Taranto the year before. The Battle of Taranto was an attempt at attacking the Regia Marina in December 1940 while she was at port in the naval base at Taranto. However, Italian planners had learned from the destruction of the Chinese Navy at the onset of the Second Great War and had set up early warning systems. The result was a bloodbath for the British Royal Navy, with the brand new HMS Illustrious, and half of her escorts being sunk due to a sortie of the Regia Marina and air cover provided by the Regia Aeronautica for a loss of only two aircraft on the Italian side and a damaged destroyer..."

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(2) The Giulio Cesare firing guns at Malta. This was part of a merciless two month bombardment campaign by air and sea which prevented reinforcements and paralyzed the garrison.

"...Italian victory at Taranto had not only given the Fascist regime a much needed victory, it also changed the balance of power in the Mediterrenean. Accordingly, plans which had been made pre-war were bought into action. In order to demonstrate Italian independence and put Mussolini's theory of the "Parallel War" into action, German aid which was offered was refused completely. Italy would take Malta by herself without help from what Mussolini saw as overbearing German 'Allies.' Preparations were made, an extensive campaign of naval and air bombardment began in January 1941 and 40,000 Italian troops landed in February 26. The demoralized, exhausted and outnumbered British garrison surrendered a day later. The stunning Italian triumph meant that Italy was one step closer of realizing her dream of the Mediterranean as an "Italian lake..."

"....Italy had two rough options in the aftermath of Malta. Option 1 was the "African Plan" which was to build up forces in Libya under the command of Balbo and then invade Egypt, cutting off British access to the Suez Canal. Option II was to expand across the Balkans and set up a sphere of influence in that direction. Although later military historians would argue that Option I was the correct 'strategic decision,' the reality of Fascist politics meant that Mussolini did not dare empower Balbo. If a triumphant Balbo drove the British across Egypt and seized the canal, then the Fascist Grand Council might have considered Balbo as a suitable replacement. Faced with this political dilemma, Mussolini opted for Option II."


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(3) Yugoslavian leader Prince Paul with Adolf Hitler after the accession of Yugoslavia into the "Pact of Steel."

"...However, there were also important strategic considerations in pursuing a "Balkan Strategy." Combined Italo-German diplomacy had forced the accession of Yugoslavia into the Pact of Steel on March 27 1941. This meant that the only thing standing in the way of Axis dominance in the Mediterranean was Greece. Greece would face attacks on three fronts, the Bulgarian front, the Yugoslavian front and the Albanian front. While German troops would not take part in any of the attacks, there was an upsurge of German "Volunteers" and "Advisers" in both the Bulgarian and Yugoslavian armies. (Indeed, these 'volunteers' would help crush an attempted pro-Entete coup attempted on 1 April 1941...)"


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(4) Greek forces digging trenches in anticipation of the conflict.

"...Meanwhile, while the Axis Powers prepared to attack, they were busy at work preparing a diplomatic fait accompli. Italy, Yugoslavia and Bulgaria with German diplomatic support presented a proposal which would've effectively dismembered Greece, surrendering border territories to Italy, Bulgaria and Yugoslavia, acceding to the Tripartite Pact and placing a pro-Axis government in control of the country. When these terms were refused, the Axis powers declared war and Greece formally became part of the Entente on the 22 June 1941. France and Britain, the two primary powers of the Entete had prepared for such an eventuality and actually had a expeditionary force ready to go. The Franco-British Expeditionary Force (FBEF) was 200,000 strong and composed of French colonial troops, ANZAC troops, British troops and even some Indian troops. They were supplemented by an air corps consisting of French and British planes, but these planes were mostly obsolete ones that had been taken off service from 'important' fronts.

"...Outnumbered, outgunned and quite often outflanked, the Entente defenders put up a valiant, but losing struggle. The sheer weight of Axis materiel and manpower combined with Italian air superiority and the tenuous allied supply lines meant that Greece would fall by December (although Crete would not fall until February 1942.) The FBEF, along with 100,000 Greek troops were successfully evacuated to Egypt. Greece was an exhausting battle for the Axis however, and in many ways a Phyrric victory. Nonetheless, as Greece was dismembered three ways and a puppet pro-Axis government was established in Athens - it did not feel like a victory..."


The Western Front:
The Western Front continued to remain as a stalemate, as German troops were redelpoyed to serve as "Volunteers" in the armies of her Balkan allies and the Franco-British troops were redeployed to the Greek front. It was a cliche, but the Western front had stabilized and stagnated strategically. It seemed as if both the Axis and Entente had decided that the war would be won or lost somewhere else and thus things were all quiet on the western front.


Sources:
(1)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tarantoharb1921.jpg
(2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Malta_(World_War_II)#Italian_invasion_plans
(3) http://www.princepaulroyalexile.com/synopsis.html
(4) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Italian_War

Next update: Will probably be about the various Home Fronts.
 
Very interesting to see a situation in which France holds a strong defensive line against Germany, while the Italians knock the British back with a surprise left hook in the Medditerranean. I'm delughtfully unsure where any of that is heading.
 
umm... wow... excellent TL :D

Just finish reading all of this... too bad, no more updates for Chiang being further buddy-buddy with his ol'pal Hitler? :D

Looking forward for this!!! :)


Well, they're separated half a world away, not that many opportunities for them to be buddy-buddy. I will say though that one of them will bail the other one out of a tough spot through a personal intervention later on. Not that it's meant to be a spoiler or anything.


i Think for Churchill Galipolli 2.0 will be his political end here, China here is far more powerful that Ottomans were and they are even more radical and motivated, and without Lend and Lease, unless Britain maange to convice soviets, they will face resource issues by 1941 at the minimum.

Hmm, we'll see about that. It'll be a turning point, whatever the outcome anyway :) Thanks for your comments.

It is very impressive. I love the story line

Cheers!

And, of course, both sides largely ignore the pair of 800-lb gorillas in the room(though for perfectly good reasons). If and when the US and USSR pick their sides, it's going to go downhill in a hurry for their opponents.

Yup. US has been scrupulously neutral so far, selling materiel to both sides and lending money to every side. America is getting fat and rich from this whole enterprise, so why take sides?

The USSR is a more interesting question, which I hope to address in my next post.

It'd be more than a little hilarious if Japan was stupid enough to somehow convince the United States to side with the Axis Powers.

Japan has been quite historically stupid, but they won't be that stupid here. Plus, their alliance with France and Britain means that they're somewhat of a leash.

France/Britain would jettison them if there was even a mild danger of that happening, though. US is in an awkward position, though, since it'll be hard to ensure Germany and Japan both lose here.

Yup, you've hit the nail on the head. US is in a great position though. They just have to make sure no side loses to hard, or they won't be able to pay up.

Please keep up, I really like this TL and finished reading it in a day..

The popular support in UK and France for this war must be very very low....

Why would their countries declare war for the Japanese, some unrelated people thousands of miles away? Just plainly ridiculous. And would they care about the Chinese in Manchuria?

Part of the reason for them declaring for Japan is the issue of European concessions. The growing links between China and Germany worried them too and they sought to back Japan in order to neutralize having to fight a war in Asia.

I've been reading this the last few weeks, and I just finished. You've done a phenomenal job with this timeline!

Thanks!

I enjoy this story greatly. CCA, you have done a very wonderful job with this timeline.

Cheers Generalissimo!

A failed Taranto would dampen enthusiasm for naval aviation in Europe.

Yes, and no. Taranto failed because of AWS and Britain underestimating Italian strength. Europe has seen the power of naval aviation in the Sino-Japanese front.

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Welcome on board!

Very interesting to see a situation in which France holds a strong defensive line against Germany, while the Italians knock the British back with a surprise left hook in the Medditerranean. I'm delughtfully unsure where any of that is heading.

Yes, France has been able to withstand so far, but large part of that is due to large amount of German volunteers on the Greek front.
 
Hey, CCA. Great story you have here, and I would be extremely grateful if you posted a link to all of your chapters.
 
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