Chiang Kai-Shek goes to Germany: An Axis China Timeline

1937 - The Offensives of False Hope
1937 - The Offensives of False Hope

"We have only to kick in the door and the whole rotting structure will come tumbling down"
President Chiang Kai-Shek

The outbreak of war was an interesting experience for China - because technically speaking they were not 'in a state of War.' The Chiang government had never accepted Manchurian independence - only doing so at gunpoint. Now that China was strong - she was continuing the Northern Expedition. This meant that the Manchurian government was not legally treated as existing - any captured prisoners of war would be treated as 'liberated' Chinese citizens.

When the conflict broke out on May 1 1937 there was a false sense of optimism among the ranks of the Kuomintang that the war would be quick, short and decisive - war planning had only been taken up to Christmas. The whole nation believed - and was encouraged to believe that Manchuria was in a state of unreadiness - and even Civil War. Before the Third Northern Expedition Started Emperor Zhang Zhoulin and his Prime Minister played elaborate games of disunity with Yan Xishan apparently accepting the terms before being 'sacked' by the Emperor. This - along with events such as the staged desertion of entire companies lulled the Chinese leadership into a false sense of security. Although the Bureau of Information and Statistics encouraged caution - this was mostly ignored in the face of evidence that seemed to support their ideological mindset. China would receive some very painful lessons in the early days of the conflict...

______________________________________________________________

Lieutenant Fong Chen-Yieuh huddled in position his eyes lit with excitement. The time had come to unify China and he was to be part of it! He nearly shook with excitement as he clutched his machine pistol. He looked around him and saw that the men around him were all excited too.

Fong thought he was too mature for this sort of thing. Too grown up, he had been bloodied - by the Xinhai Revolution, The First and Second Northern Expedition and he had recently come back from the stalemate of the Spanish Civil War. He has seen men brutally maimed and killed in horrific ways and women and children too... he thought uneasily of Madrid.

But Madrid was 2000 miles away and Fong was here now. He was a rare breed - a career soldier who had fought with the Kuomintang since 1911. He was no spring chicken anymore but he was the right sort of age to be commanding a section of men. He rose through the ranks through sheer bravery - as well as by virtue of survival.

Artillery fire broke the eerie silence of the night as Chinese guns marked the start of the Third Northern Expedition. All was going to plan... Fong checked his watch. 15 minutes of this and then we go...

15 minutes passed. Flares shot up and lit the night sky. Fong blew his whistle and leaped over the parapet. "Advance for China!" he screamed.

Rom-Ft17.jpg

Type 1 Tanks formed a core component of the May Offensives...

Ahead of Fong Type 1 tanks clattered into action, their mechanical dim adding to the clatter of the night. There were no enemies around... Fong pondered susipciously... This was too easy - it had to be a trap somewhere...

Fong was right. All around him planted explosives ripped up the ground - it was almost biblically with hellfire and brimstone opening up cracks on the ground and destroying the vanguard of the Nationalist advance...Miraculously Fong was unhurt. He was beginning to compose himself from the shock wheh shells started exploding all around him... Fong was unhurt no more.

___________________________________________________________

"The opening salvo of the Third Northern Expedition resulted in failure for the Nationalists... at this point it should have been clear that they had encountered an enemy far more willing and able to fight than original. But they would have none of it. The rest of May would be spent on futile offensives against the Yan Xishan wall with blood, bones and bullets proving unable to scratch the hard, reinforced masonry of the walls... Gradually it was realized that a new strategy was needed...But this was not after the whittling down of the elite "Shock Route Armies" in pointless and futile offensives...The death toll has been put down to tens of thousands of China's most elite fighting men squandered in the opening days of a bloody and destructive conflict...The tank and the aeroplane which had promised to end the stalemates of The Great War only seemed to add more ways to die...By the end of July it was clear that there would be stalemate...Chiang and his War Council would deliberate and form a new strategy against what was now proven to be a very determined and able foe..."

- History of the Second Great War
David Lio

_____________________________________________________________

"...Our work was quite a tedious affair. We would load up the mortar, adjust the position slightly, fire and reload. It was at the same time a time consuming process...Each mine shell took about half an hour to reload and shoot...Occasionally there would be the odd airplane that flew overhead - we paid no attention to those and they paid no attention to us... Although our jobs were boring - we know that our work in scattering mines all over the North China Sea was important in denying access to the Japanese invaders..."

- Private Dinghy Yu, Special Mortar Unit
From: Voices from the Second Great War

___________________________________________________________

Pete McGill was bored in Manila. Inevitably he contrasted the high life in Shanghai and in China compared to the sleepy, stuffy conservatism in what was one of the most Roman Catholic countries in the world. There was literally nothing to do for an off-duty American Marine other than listen to the radio.

And so Pete did, albeit halfheartedly "...Fighting is reproted in the desets of Inner Mongolia...meanwhile there seems to have been a lul of fighting outside of Beiping in Hopei province...The Chinese Foreign Minister has said that the troops are 'completing preparations"

Pete snorted. The Chinks had been 'preparing' for about three months now. It probably meant that they just couldn't break past the Manchu's. Or more likely it was some goddam Japs. The Japs had been renting out armies to the Manchurians calling them "Volunteers." The Chinese Embassy had originally complained but when an angry mob burnt down the embassy - and the hapless diplomat to a crisp there was no-one and nothing to complain about anymore.

Yawning, Pete dazed steadily off into the hot muggy air of Manila while a hundred miles away from him people died....

PS: Yes I am taking Turtledove characters. I feel no regrets :p. Plus it's hard coming up with names....
 
Well, that's fine by me!:p

Interesting to see that despite all the tech/militarization advances completed ITTL, China got bogged down pretty fast. I have to wonder here how matched the IJA is.
 

tjvuse

Banned
Great update on 1937 CCA:D

Will the Chinese get there chance for revenge against the Russian in this time line. As they are German Allys and will hopefuly follow the Germans lead in declaring war on the allys in 1939.

Cheers
 

Hendryk

Banned
Plus it's hard coming up with names....
Talking about names, I spot a few typos, such as the spelling of Zhang Zuolin and the use of idiosyncratic transliterations. Best watch for those, they can be distracting.

Also, another detail, but Madrid is way further than 2,000 miles away from northeastern China :)
 
The discovery of oil in what is now known as the "Daqing Oilfields" put fuel to the fire of Chinese and Manchurian tensions.

Be really careful about this. The question has been thoroughly hashed out, and the consensus by people who know geology / petroleum history is that with the understandings of the day, that discovering Daqing at the time is pretty much ASB.
 
Be really careful about this. The question has been thoroughly hashed out, and the consensus by people who know geology / petroleum history is that with the understandings of the day, that discovering Daqing at the time is pretty much ASB.

oooh... Hmm I may possibly retcon it in V2. thanks though
 

Hendryk

Banned
Be really careful about this. The question has been thoroughly hashed out, and the consensus by people who know geology / petroleum history is that with the understandings of the day, that discovering Daqing at the time is pretty much ASB.
I'm interested on this for my own purposes. Do you remember where it was discussed?
 
I'm interested on this for my own purposes. Do you remember where it was discussed?
Well... to start with, there's this thread, posted by, er, you:
https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=102084
Then there's these two:
https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=102512
https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=131052
There's this thread, where Don Lardo was nice enough to point out *where* in your thread it was made clear that it wasn't realistic:
https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?p=3504887
 

Hendryk

Banned
Well... to start with, there's this thread, posted by, er, you:
https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=102084
Then there's these two:
https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=102512
https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=131052
There's this thread, where Don Lardo was nice enough to point out *where* in your thread it was made clear that it wasn't realistic:
https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?p=3504887
Yeah, you can see why I'm interested in the question ;) I hadn't noticed the refutation in the most recent thread, which what I was looking for. The previous ones didn't really go into feasability.

I don't know if that makes a difference for CCA's TL, but it does for mine: I was actually concerned about the possibility that Japan's discovery and exploitation of the oil field would change the outcome of the war. I now know that I needn't worry.
 
Well, Another good series of excellent update. The Second Sino-japanese war explode just a time(a few months early thanks to the jingonist Butterflies;)) but that means that the Munich Crisis is the Spark for WW2 :eek:(and that will cause a extremly special set of alliance, in 1939 at least we know how cappable are the nazis and now with Chinesse Suport can do more damage... Contact Ho chi ming quickly when France fall)

In general i hope something like thatmbe sincere, the moral can help the chinese but still a lot problem agains the most experience and brutal japanese.. but a least with Falky at full time and capacity and better trained troop.... is only time when china can fully mobilize to start to kick japanese ass, but this war gonna be even more fighting than OTL one(but a least with less massacre and genocide like Nanjing)

Again with the recent update i loss my partial theories of foretelling, in general with the American backing(read supporting ITTL *Allies with the exception of Japan) an Armistice.. the Bad blood will be big.. and even with the Nuclear bomb.. a revanche can be possible in Asia At least
 

Vince

Monthly Donor
Good update! If this war lasts almost 6 years it seems this will be quite the grinding fight.

PS: Yes I am taking Turtledove characters. I feel no regrets :p. Plus it's hard coming up with names....

Fair enough but if I read anything about a seaman that sunburns all the time and is always applying zinc oxide I'm unsubscribing this thread. :p
 
Bumpov,

Good update! If this war lasts almost 6 years it seems this will be quite the grinding fight.

Even when the Chinese completely pwns Japan in Korea and Mandchuko, there will still be the european colonies left. French Indochina, Dutch Indonesia Malaysia, Myanamar and perhapse even India.


Wyragen-TXRG4P - And you are assuming of course that Germany does declare war and it is a global struggle.

He did declare war on the US while still at war with the UK(SU doesn´t really count as it was apparently close to imminent collapse), then again, that was an IOTL event.
 
Last edited:
I just thought of something. What about the so-called China Lobby in the US, especially leaders such as Henry Luce of Time-Life, who was very chummy with Chiang and the Madame for many years? Would he and the Lobby be accused of being pro-Axis in this TL?
 
I just thought of something. What about the so-called China Lobby in the US, especially leaders such as Henry Luce of Time-Life, who was very chummy with Chiang and the Madame for many years? Would he and the Lobby be accused of being pro-Axis in this TL?

So instead of a Red Scare in 50's we got a Black Scare? The fascists have infiltrated our government! Makes you wonder who the anti-fascist fear monger would be.
 
Top