Chiang Kai-Shek goes to Germany: An Axis China Timeline

Hendryk

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Stalin personally demanded the recall of the Soviet Mission from China. The steam ship that had been arranged to return Trotsky and the others was unfortunately 'hijacked' by this motly band of revolutionaries and they comandeered the ship all the way for Mexico - perhaps an unlikely place for a revolutionary to end up - but nevertheless Leon Trotsky was now Senor Trotsky.
Perhaps for the better that Trotsky doesn't remain in China. Of course, it wouldn't have been safe for him, as Stalin could easily have infiltrated operatives to get him killed; but in the long run his presence might have been politically destabilizing.

Now, Italy's a surprising choice. I hope Jiang won't take too long to realize that Italian Fascism is all style and no substance, lest he get the wrong kind of ideas from the rapprochement. In OTL the Chinese Nationalists toyed with fascist-style policies in the 1930s.
 
Perhaps for the better that Trotsky doesn't remain in China. Of course, it wouldn't have been safe for him, as Stalin could easily have infiltrated operatives to get him killed; but in the long run his presence might have been politically destabilizing.

Now, Italy's a surprising choice. I hope Jiang won't take too long to realize that Italian Fascism is all style and no substance, lest he get the wrong kind of ideas from the rapprochement. In OTL the Chinese Nationalists toyed with fascist-style policies in the 1930s.

The blueshirts are going to play a biiig role in the future....
 
Seems like the soviet-union is not going to be the problem it was IOTL.


Hi Everyone,

I had originally done a rather epically long 6 part update but AH.COM swallowd it up.

One must always be carefull to copy a text before posting it, especially on this website.
 
Part Three: The Duce and the Generalisimo: Sino-Italian Cooperation.
Hey Everyone,

This TL is planned to continue (ideally) till the year 2010.

Thanks to everyone for their kind comments and feedback - I'll reply to each one in detail once I finish updating up to schedule.

1934: Dark Clouds and Silver Linings

Part Three: The Duce and the Generalisimo: Sino-Italian Cooperation.

"Chiang Kai-Shek is an artist who has worked men, as other artists have worked marble or metals. But men are harder than stone and less malleable than iron. China is a masterpiece. The artist has succeeded. His capabilities far exceed the task."
- Benito Mussolini

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Mussolini greeting crowds in Shanghai.

Although the Sino-Italian "Pact of Brotherhood and Friendship" signed in December 21 1934 came as a surprise to many observers it was in hindsight perhaps an inevitable development of trends that had been evident since the early 1920's. Italy had long sought to portray itself as the friend of China and it's recognition of KMT suzerainity over all of China and it's steadfast refusal to back down in spite of international pressure (unlike Germany) meant that Italy, Italian Fascism and Mussolini had many admirers and friends within Nationalist China. Italy's restraint during the "Humiliation Treaty of Beijing" in spite the high profile murders of several Italian nationals was also taken as a sign of Italian good faith. As a consqeuence Sino-Italian relations became very warm.

As Sino-Italian relations became closer, so did the volume of Sino-Italian trade. Although there was no formal trade pact between the two nations, Italy was China's 4th biggest trader (after Germany, Soviet Union, USA.) Italian luxury goods such as Silk, perfumes and cosmetics was very popular with the rising Chinese middle classes and upper classes. Foreign goods - especially Italian were taken to be status symbols - a sign that a particular individual or family that possessed them that they were wealthy enough to own expensive foreign products rather than the cheaper Chinese products. Some economic historians (mostly Chinese) assert that Sino-Italian trade during the late 20's and early 30's spared Italy the worst of the Great Depression.

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The RN Gulio Cesare was renamed CN Sun Yat-sen when it was purchased from Italy in 1934.

Others, perhaps more realistically, assert that it was not in the civilian trade that made Chinese silver flow into Italian coffers. It was in the military sector. Following the 'frosting' in Sino-German relations following Gustav Stresseman's acceptance of the "Treaty of Beijing" China turned to Italy for military help - particularly in the construction of a naval force. Negotiations began about the purchase of two Italian Cavour class Battleships of pre-WWI vintage - the Conti de Cavour and the Giulio Cesare. The Italian War Ministry and Mussolini were happy to oblidge - Mussolini saw an opportunity to strenghten Sino-Italian relations and to make a tidy profit selling two obsolete warships. With the money he expected to make he could finance the construction of brand new and modern battleships. To sweeten the deal he agreed to return Italian concessions in China and to send 'Naval advisors' to renovate the two obsolete warships into more modern ones. Excited by the potential of having two warships Chiang agreed. Conti de Cavour and Gulio Cesare were delivered in late 1934 accompanied by Italian military advisors
and sailed into Shanghai with much fanfare.

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The RN Conti de Cavour was renamed and redesignated as CN Yi Min (in honour of the murdered Chinese ambassador to Germany)

China had probably purchased the two obsolete battleships for
far more than they were worth, for Mussolini had begged the Italian Lira artificually higher before making the sale. Despite this, Mussolini's voluntary renounciation of Italian concessions and violent denounciation of "Anglo-French Imperialism" in China meant that when Il Duce stepped into Shanghai he was greeted with ecstatic cheering. The fact that Il Duce had come personally to deliver the two battleships was widely praised. Chinese culture placed a high emphasis on face-to-face personal relationships and the fact that Mussolini had come in person to negotiate a Sino-Italian Treaty was highly regarded. When Mussolini stepped into Shanghai any doubts about Italian sincerity dispelled - the Sino-Italian Treaty was a foregone conclusion.

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The Fiat CR.32 which was more manoeuverable and able to take off and land in shorter runways was deemed suitable for the China's planned fleet of carriers.

The Sino-Italian "Treaty of Friendship and Brotherhood" resembled the Sino-German in the economic agreements signed between the nations, it also resembled the Sino-German in that it laid down provisions for the two nations going to each others aid when attacked by a foreign power (except for Germany or the Soviet Union.) It resembled the Sino-German agreements in all but the secret agreements for Chinese Naval rearnament. Over the coming decade, nearly half of Chinese naval surface ships (excluding destroyer class ships and smaller) would come from Italian naval yards. The Italian CR.32 would also be build under license in Kwangsi for use of the Chinese Navy...

Italy was popular in China. Italian fascism had many admirers, ranging from figures as diverse as Dai Li (the man who would later earn the title "Chiang's Himmler) to Wang Jingwei. The fascist theory of "corporatism" was especially liked - as was Italian futurism which seemed to herald a brighter, faster and more vibrant future - a mood that was in vogue with the mood of a nation that was emerging from the hidebound conservatism and shadows of the past. Young Chinese flocked to watch French cinema, danced to American jazz in dance halls and admired Italian futurist paintings. The stability that the Kuomintang created laid the foundation for a stable and prosperous middle class, when the economy keeps growing by an average of 10% every year and the money keeps roling in what's a guy to do?

Call an election.

Next Update: A Brief Analysis of Foreign Military Missions + The Plan for Chinese Naval Rearnament "Plan C."
 
Great Series of Update

Well First of all, sorry for doesn't post early(have some little familiar/personal problems) and thanks for the mention about the turtledove(check his PMbox...:D) , well now i gonna start my analisis of the past three post(in a short way):

1. The opening sentence Abstract all.... is a Irony how here the Rohm Putch(aka the night on Long Knife), was make thanks to the butterflies(and the sentence of the lead pill is awesome, deserved to be part of written history), and how the first nazi 'martyr' is now in TTL a pariah in the social-politic specturm(the Nazis still will chant the Horst Wessel Anthem or only the Deutchlandlied alone??) and make a cold spine in the Sino-German Cooperation(again the butterflies doesn't keep outside the axis Unless they didn't support germany in 'the Danzing or war' crisis or a *Barbarossa like operation)

2. a more premature Great Purge(remember Post his Posesion how Dictador of Soviet Russia, Stalin always have some problem with accepting the reality, Barbarossa is the poster child of his mental situation) and oh la la.... a war between a *Little Entete(maybe Finland+the baltics) and japan, the butterflies start to roam(and very good one), I'm only expect that Trosky now die by a lead pill and their effects in in the brain rather than a Iceaxe :D.

And now the effect of the former:

3. By lack of another, the Chinesse now search for the Boombastic Benny the Moose and the Bella Italia, well, again some of the most moderate Facist trends(like your said, Corporativist and futurist) are better than the more moderate Nazi ideology(who will be a little diferent but in the core the same because Hitler doesn't change a lot), and about the planes... certain Air Marshall who was the 'true' father of facism(thanks th Geekhis Kahn and his extremly good make TL,:D) will have a visit to china??

Well the update are excellent so far, very good made, your improve more every day, and keep there with the TL, this TL will be one of the best here if you continue this like now, well, i wish succes to you.

Att
Nivek Beldo

P.S you're a men or women???
 
Thanks for feedback Nivek - hope your little problem goes away soon!

For the record I'm a guy.
 
To me, there's always been something elegant about the Great War era battleship / dreadnaughts, and I love the idea / concept / writing bit that has China, in the 1930's getting two obsolescent battlewagons.

Please keep up the good work!
 
1934: The Year of Dark Clouds and Silver Linings.
Thanks to everyone for their kind feedback and comments - as I said I will get to them at the conclusion bit.

1934: The Year of Dark Clouds and Silver Linings.

A ruler who is not himself wise cannot be given advice.

- Chiang Kai-shek

An Italian, A German, An American and A Russian walk into China: A brief analysis of foreign military missions in China

...Although the topic of foreign military missions is a quite obscure field in history it is quite an important and topical one for the development of the modern Chinese state. The various military missions established by Italy, Germany, The Soviet Union and the United States of America would provide the foundations of the success of China's Reunification Wars. By laying the foundation for Chinese industrialization and modernization they enabled China to regain much of her strenght and self-respect...

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Members of the German Mission to China with some Chinese comrades.

...The Germans by far were the oldest, most well established, and most respected foreign military mission. German advisors were considered to be in the words of Chiang Kai-shek "the most trustworthly, most loyal, most knowledgeable and most competent." Lundendorff and his successor Alexander von Falkenhausen would be given access to absolutely everything that concerned the Chinese military. They were the only foreigners privy to the full versions Dai Li's confidential intelligence reports and were considered more powerful than even some senior Chinese figures. German military help were integral not only in the Nationalist victory in the First Reunification War but also in the creation of the modern National Revolutionary Army and last, but not least, the successful creation of a military-industrial complex essentially from scratch. The success of German expertise can be seen in that in 1934 - China had the same industrial capacity as Italy - a figure that was expected to double every 3 years...

... It is important to note however, that German help was not the product of natural altruism. German participation in the creation of a viable military-industrial complex in Southern China was not without benefits. For one they gave German industrialists and weaponmongers a chance to keep developing modern and powerful weaponry, not only that but many of the German 'advisors' serving in Chinese submarines(built with German expertise), Chinese airplanes(license built German aircraft built with German expertise) and Chinese panzers (ditto) would later form the core of Germany's reconstructed armed forces. Railways - built with German expertise and help would bring in raw materials from the Chinese hinterland into the ports of Guangzhou where they were taken to Germany - to fuel German rearnament along with Chinese silver. When German rearnament began in earnest in 1933 - they were not starting from scratch...

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Many German Jews such as Lise Meitner were forced out of Germany. Ironically Lise Meitner and her exiled colleages would provide the core in the Sino-German Götterdämmerung Project...

... There is however a shameful legacy in Sino-German relations - the plight of German Jewry. In the chaotic days of the "Rohm Putsch" in 1934 many German Jews who were doctors, scientists, chemists, physicists and other intellectuals were forced out of Germany and given one-way visas to China. Although there is no evidence of Chiang ever asking Hitler to expel loyal German citizens on the basis of racial discrimination - he did not exactly complain when these highly educated and highly motivated foreigners turned up in boatloads. Although many did not want to flee in China - preferring to flee to England and America - they were kept in China through a combination of the carrot (highly paid, highly respected posts, lots of money for research grants) and the stick (many still had family in Germany...

... In summary, it would not be an exaggeration to state that German help was crucial for the viability of the Kuomintang's republican project. Without German aid in the early days of the republic - it is quite conceivable that Zhang Zhoulin would have managed to unify China under his royal banner...

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Marshall Cavallerro responsible for the fact that many of the most incompetent, old and useless Italian generals were sent to China were they gave the Italians an abysmal reputation.

... If the Chinese respected the Germans for their competence and professionalism the opposite applied to many members of the Italian military mission. Marshal Cavallerro - the man responsibile for who would be picked on these missions conspired with the Army Chief of Staff Giueseppe Ferrari (*winks to Croesus*) to pick the most incompetent, most senile and most obstructive Generals to China where they annoyed their hosts with their ill-conceived, obsolete advice. However, there was apparently a boost to Opium revenues and 'sing-song girls' wherever the Italians went so the visit was perhaps not a loss...

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Prince Luigi Amedeo chief of the Italian naval mission and the "only competent Italian in China."

... Although the Italian military mission to China is much malgined - and perhaps rightly so, there were competent members of the military mission. One such individual was Prince Luigi Amendeo head of the Regia Marina mission to China. Despite suffering a heart attack in early 1933 the spyry Amedeo who was a famous explorer bought an enthusiasm to his role - being instrumental to Chinese naval rearnament and cooperating with his German counterpart Wilhelm Canaris to produce several Chinese Maritime Defence Papers. The efforts of Amedeo and Canaris ensured that the Chinese Navy at the beginning of the Second Unification War was one of the largest (at least on paper)...

... There are several more thorough and better works written about Leon Trotsky's impact on the National Revolutionary Army it will only be given a brief mention here. In the words of a contemporary: "Trotsky had the rare gift of tempering steel out of the souls of men. He married German professionalism with Chinese bravery and sealed it with Russian determination" Soviet Advisors not serving under or with Trotsky were regarded with immense suspcion - having no influence on Chinese policy in any way shape or form...


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The image of Airships filled the Chinese mind with wonder and imagination. Leading to the spending of millions of dollars to construct a large fleet. This was the main impact of the American Military Mission. Conveniently China became America's number one buyer of Helium...

...While the Italian, Soviet and German military missions had official support from their various governments. The American Military mission were composed of a various eccentrics trying to pedel their ideas which were considered too 'crazy' or 'impractical' by the U.S Army and U.S Military. They were mostly successful as China's large fleet of airships at the beginning of the Second Unification War showed...

Next Update: Chinese Naval Rearnament
 
Brilliant update as usual. Now for a few queries

Many German Jews such as Lise Meitner were forced out of Germany. Ironically Lise Meitner and her exiled colleages would provide the core in the Sino-German Götterdämmerung Project...

*POSSIBLE SPOILER* Nuke? *END POSSIBLE SPOILER*

... There is however a shameful legacy in Sino-German relations - the plight of German Jewry. In the chaotic days of the "Rohm Putsch" in 1934 many German Jews who were doctors, scientists, chemists, physicists and other intellectuals were forced out of Germany and given one-way visas to China. Although there is no evidence of Chiang ever asking Hitler to expel loyal German citizens on the basis of racial discrimination - he did not exactly complain when these highly educated and highly motivated foreigners turned up in boatloads. Although many did not want to flee in China - preferring to flee to England and America - they were kept in China through a combination of the carrot (highly paid, highly respected posts, lots of money for research grants) and the stick (many still had family in Germany)...

This gives rise to the question of "Will Germany still carry out the Final Solution?"

... If the Chinese respected the Germans for their competence and professionalism the opposite applied to many members of the Italian military mission. Marshal Cavallerro - the man responsibile for who would be picked on these missions conspired with the Army Chief of Staff Giueseppe Ferrari (*winks to Croesus*) to pick the most incompetent, most senile and most obstructive Generals to China where they annoyed their hosts with their ill-conceived, obsolete advice. However, there was apparently a boost to Opium revenues and 'sing-song girls' wherever the Italians went so the visit was perhaps not a loss...

*falls off chair, rolls around laughing*

... Although the Italian military mission to China is much malgined - and perhaps rightly so, there were competent members of the military mission. One such individual was Prince Luigi Amendeo head of the Regia Marina mission to China. Despite suffering a heart attack in early 1933 the spyry Amedeo who was a famous explorer bought an enthusiasm to his role - being instrumental to Chinese naval rearnament and cooperating with his German counterpart Wilhelm Canaris to produce several Chinese Maritime Defence Papers. The efforts of Amedeo and Canaris ensured that the Chinese Navy at the beginning of the Second Unification War was one of the largest (at least on paper)...

Would you mind including in your next update an order of battle for the Chinese Navy?

Conveniently China became America's number one buyer(sic) of Helium...

... The two main recepients being the Chinese Air Force and the League of Chinese Slapstick Comedians.

...While the Italian, Soviet and German military missions had official support from their various governments. The American Military mission were composed of a various eccentrics trying to peddle their ideas which were considered too 'crazy' or 'impractical' by the U.S Army and U.S Military. They were mostly successful as China's large fleet of airships at the beginning of the Second Unification War showed...

Let me guess... Good ol' Zhang did not have the aircraft and anti-air artillery capable of taking out the airships right?

And may I assume that these were mainly used for bombing missions? Or were they used as aircraft carriers?
 
Yes,

Airships! :cool:

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Second Unification war? Japan may not remain neutral if Mandchuko is under attack and if that case, how will the Chinese navy be usefull beside defending coastal regions from naval attacks?
 
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Hendryk

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This gives rise to the question of "Will Germany still carry out the Final Solution?"
My guess is yes, there is no way Germany will be able or even willing to deport the entirety of Europe's Jewish population to China. But at least, those Jews sent to China will presumably make it through WW2. Incidentally, China was a haven for Jewish refugees in OTL as well--an administrative loophole enabled thousands of them to move to Shanghai in the late 1930s.
 
My guess is yes, there is no way Germany will be able or even willing to deport the entirety of Europe's Jewish population to China. But at least, those Jews sent to China will presumably make it through WW2. Incidentally, China was a haven for Jewish refugees in OTL as well--an administrative loophole enabled thousands of them to move to Shanghai in the late 1930s.
Were they German Jews? ???
My Hebrew prof's family lived in Harbin, but they were Russian Jews, IIRC.

It's a lot easier for Russians to get to China (on the Transsiberian) than for Germans to - did they go through Russian, or by sea the LONG way around?
 
The image of Airships filled the Chinese mind with wonder and imagination. Leading to the spending of millions of dollars to construct a large fleet. This was the main impact of the American Military Mission. Conveniently China became America's number one buyer of Helium...
:confused:If China is allied with Germany, and the US OTL refused to sell Helium to Germany (did it sell it to ANYONE?), why on earth would they be selling Helium to China?
 

Hendryk

Banned
Were they German Jews? ???
My Hebrew prof's family lived in Harbin, but they were Russian Jews, IIRC.
The Jews that arrived in Shanghai in the late 1930s were mostly from Germany and Austria. It so happened that no visa was necessary to get in, so any stateless refugee could legally go there. From the Shanghai Jewish Center:

From 1938 on, some 20,000 Jewish refugees from Germany and Austria escaped to Shanghai, the only place in the world that did not require a visa to enter. Among them was Michael Blumenthal, who later became U.S. Secretary of the Treasury in the Carter Administration, and the late Shaul Eisenberg, who founded and ran the Eisenberg Group of Compalnies in Israel.

Between 1939 and 1940, approximately 1,000 Polish Jews escaped to Shanghai, avoiding certain death. Among these, all the teachers and students of the Mir Ygshiva, some 400 in number, miraculously survived and continued their studies in the Beth Aharon Synagogue, the only place of worship with space enough to hold the entire Yeshiva. They escaped Poland through Vilna, obtained transit visas to Japan from Sugihara Chiune, the Japanese consul in Kovno, and finally made their way to Shanghai.

The Japanese invaded China in 1937, and later occupied the area around Shanghai. From December 1941 to 1945, the Japanese interned the population of Shanghai Jews who were citizens of Allied countries. "Stateless refugees" from Germany, Austria, or Poland were relocated to a ghetto in Hong Kou ("Hong Kew"), while those from neutral countries like Iraq and Russia were left alone. Despite these difficult conditions, the Jewish community adapted to retain its culture, tradition and social lifestyle.

By the end of the war, Shanghai was home to approximately 24,000 Jews.
 

Hendryk

Banned
:confused:If China is allied with Germany, and the US OTL refused to sell Helium to Germany (did it sell it to ANYONE?), why on earth would they be selling Helium to China?
Even if they don't, IMHO it wouldn't be such a big deal. The dangers of hydrogen are overrated due to the spectacular but freak accident that destroyed the Hindenburg. It would be perfectly possible to put together a Zeppelin program even without access to helium.
 
Great stuff! Love the Italian "contributions". :D I'm assuming Cavallero (rather a bit of dead wood himself) was more than happy to send the "Old Fool" General De Bono to China. What about Badoglio? He was Cavallero's chief rival and unlike Cavallero anti-Axis. Of course he'll be a lot harder to "deport" than De Bono whose only assets were support of Fascism and friendship with the royals.

Either or both of them gone will affect the Italo-Abyssinian war (which WILL happen at some point...personal Mussie obsession there). Cavallero commanding in Ethiopia is bad news for Italy and good news for Ethiopia, if OTL is any indication of Cav's *ahem* "abilities" as a commander.
 
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