Chiang Kai-Shek goes to Germany: An Axis China Timeline

(maybe if the Sitzkrieg and fall of France is worst for the Entente)
With a Great War POD, Why would there even be a Fall of France ITTL.
Whe have Guderian in China [Big Butterfly] as an Advisor/Observer. He will be Corresponding with Patton & De Gaulle [fellow tank Enthusiasts] [+ a British Guy - I can't recall name] over what he sees.
As Such the Tank Doctrine of all 4 will be changed.

With different People in the Meetings Guderian went to in OTL. It becomes very unlikely that German General with the Plans - Would still crash in Belgium.

While there were problems with the plan, and it may be changed slightly, Without the Crash, the Ardeness Plan of OTL would probably not be Adopted.
 
Interest,

Is Japan going to enters the allied camp or still join the axis? Will there still a second world war or several limited conflicts?
 
Last edited:
This is great! Awesome POD! Can't wait to see more!! :D

Always found the Republic of China in the Axis an interesting idea. :)

-Korporal Nooij.
 
Strategic question,

Should the Chinese be able to quickly overwhelme Mandchuko, would they have the strenght to contain Japan?
 
Replies: 228
Views: 16,413

Like I said - it has two of the most popular AH related words - "Axis" and "China"

Now imagine the hits if I titled it "Axis China Sealion Airship Thande Abortion Gun Control Healthcare Obama"

A huuuge 3 part update to come tommorow and proper replies
 
1934: Dark Clouds and Silver Linings
Hi Everyone,

I had originally done a rather epically long 6 part update but AH.COM swallowd it up. As it is nearly bed time and I'm too demoralized to retype the whole thing again - I will update this every day till I make up the difference.

1934: Dark Clouds and Silver Linings

Part One: The Horst Wessel Affair,
Part Two: Of mice, men and Trotskyists
Part Three: The Duce and The Generalisimo - Sino-Italian Cooperation
Part Four: A brief analysis of foreign military missions
Part Five: "Plan C" The Chinese Naval Arnament Programme.
Part Six: Conclusion + Proper replies to everyone's replies

Before I carry on though, I'd like to extend a special thanks to Nivek, THe Vulture and OKH for their support for the Turtledove Award Thingy. Your loyalty and support will be rewarded by awkwardly written sex scenes featuring characters from this TL. (Check your PM inboxes now.)

Anyway without further ado I give you part one:

_____________________________________________________________

1934: Dark Clouds and Silver Linings

Part One: The Horst Wessel Affair

A defining feature of a totalitarian regimes is their uncanny ability to convince their citizenry that black is white and white is black... To turn today's heroes into tommorow's villains and to turn today's villain into tommorow's heroes... Nowhere is this tendency more amply demonstrated than in the Horst Wessel Affair. A drunkard, phillandering, disgraced and exiled Chinese politician was granted a near mythical status and his long-suffering wife revered as a living saint while the 'criminal' a decorated 'rising star' within the Nazi Regime was turned into the german boogeyman.

- On Totalitarianism, Eric Arthur Blair




465px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1978-043-14%2C_Horst_Wessel.jpg


Horst Wessel was a rising star until a crime of passion led to his death and the near-destruction of the SA...

To this day the circumstances surrounding the 'murder' of Yi Min, the Chinse apothecary turned politician turned disgraced politician turned 'Jiangsu Special envoy to Germany' (effectively a sinecured position with no responsibilities or power) is still surrounded by uncertainty and murkiness. There is a myriad of competing theories to explain what happened and why they happened. There are so few facts that they inevitable spawn a slew a smogasbord of conspiracy theories.

So what do we definitely know about the "Horst Wessel Affair." These are the undisputed fact: We know that on February 16 Horst Wessel the Berilin Troopleader came back to the flat he shared with his girlfriend Erna Janicke. He found Yi Min and Erna Janicke in flagrante delico and emptied his revolver into Yi Min. He and Erna fled the flat quickly attempting to reach the Austrian border before being aprehended by Munich police. He then turned the revolver on Erna and then himself.

What exactly Yi Min was doing with Erna remains unclear. Some sources claim that Erna was a prostitute and was performing her normal duties. Some sources claim that the two had been having a passionate love affair since Yi Min's posting to Berlin in early January. Some say that Erna was being raped by Yi Min - this is perhaps the most plausible, if the most politically inconvenient explanation. Erna did attempt to flee with Horst - suggesting that the act was perhaps not consensual.

Regardless, this journal is not concerned with gossiply tabloid style articles. The ramifications of the Horst Wessel Affair is much more important. After Horst Wessel's arrest a wave of SA demonstrations swept Germany, shop windows were broken, Chinese students hounded, Ernst Rohm the head of the SA publically attacked Hitler for siding with a "Chinese mongrel dog over a fine speciment of Aryan." Clashes between the police and SA became more and more frequent and it seemed as if Germany tottered in the brink of a revolution. Ordinary Germans were shocked at the SA's violence and attacks against what most Germans saw as an allied nation and at the very least an important trading partner. Adolf Hitler seemed to be losing control of events. Ominously for Hitler President Hindenburg asked to see Hitler on February 24...

What happens next is one of history's most bold and barefaced treacheries. Adolf Hitler called an 'emergency meeting' where he invited the heads of SA troopleaders around the nation, party gauleiters and party bigwigs were also present. Many SA leaders assumed that the "National Revolution" had begun and were eager to attend. When Hitler asked the question "All who are ready for the National Revolution. Stay!" had gotten them worked up -believing Hitler was on their side. Perhaps the filing out of non-SA party members should have alerted them that something was amiss. Hitler then gave a 4 hour long harrangue where he described himself as the "National Revolution" accused Rohm and the SA of treachery and other very mean things. At the end members of the Shutzstaffel burst in with submachine guns to arrest many of the leading members of the SA. Rohm was given a lead pill and died of complications from taking a lead pill travelling at high velocity in the brain. In one foul swoop Hitler had removed the greatest threat to his regime and made him very popular. His audience with Hindenburg on February 24 ended with high praise indeed for Hitler. Politically, the Horst Wessel Affair was a boon for Hitler who used the opportunity to consolidate his power.

The opposite was true, unfortunately for Chiang Kai-shek. T.V Soong and Wang Jingwei had both come out to declare that "All foreigners are foreign devils and we should stay away from them and maitain a neutral foreign policy (paraphrased)" Massive protests broke out in Nanking, Beijing, Shanghai, Canton and other major cities demanding 'reparations.' Needless to say, the climate was not conductive to friendly Sino-German relations - a visit by Hitler to China in late July was cancelled. Relations deteriorated somewhat. Although the cold snap in Sino-German relations would not last more than a year the long term effects were massive. Chiang looked for a new partner in Europe and he found this in Mussolini and Italy....

Next Update: Of Mice, Men and Trotskyists.



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...archiv_Bild_146-1978-043-14,_Horst_Wessel.jpg
 
Hi Everyone,

I had originally done a rather epically long 6 part update but AH.COM swallowd it up. As it is nearly bed time and I'm too demoralized to retype the whole thing again - I will update this every day till I make up the difference.

Ouch... So sorry to hear about that.

Before I carry on though, I'd like to extend a special thanks to Nivek, THe Vulture and OKH for their support for the Turtledove Award Thingy. Your loyalty and support will be rewarded by awkwardly written sex scenes featuring characters from this TL. (Check your PM inboxes now.)

Why do I not have the PM?

Rohm was given a lead pill and died of complications from taking a lead pill travelling at high velocity in the brain.

Sigged!
 
Last edited:
Hi Everyone,
Rohm was given a lead pill and died of complications from taking a lead pill travelling at high velocity in the brain.

This part is a little iffy asethetics wise. The figurative language here probably could be compressed into some thing like "Rohm was then adminstered a lead pill traveling at (whatever) m/s directly into the cranium."

But everything else is great.
 
Hi Everyone,

I had originally done a rather epically long 6 part update but AH.COM swallowd it up. As it is nearly bed time and I'm too demoralized to retype the whole thing again - I will update this every day till I make up the difference.

Its always best to either type it up on Word first and then copy and past, or type it in and then copy it before trying to post.
I've done both with particularly long posts and its saved my ass.
Good update as usual, can't wait to see the rest.
 

The Vulture

Banned
Before I carry on though, I'd like to extend a special thanks to Nivek, THe Vulture and OKH for their support for the Turtledove Award Thingy. Your loyalty and support will be rewarded by awkwardly written sex scenes featuring characters from this TL. (Check your PM inboxes now.)

It's the thought that counts, I suppose. . .

That was quite an unexpected development. With China linked to the German Night of Long Knives (I suppose it will have a different name in this TL, perhaps still called the "Roehm Putsch") as well as China's links with Soviet Russia and Italy, it's going to be harder and harder for the western powers to justify having anything to do with China.
 
Part Two: Of Mice, Men and Trotskyists
1934: Dark Clouds and Silver Linings

Part Two: Of Mice, Men and Trotskyists

But, Mousie, thou art no thy lane
In proving foresight may be vain:
The best laid schemes o' mice an' men
Gang aft a-gley,
An' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain,
For promised joy.

The study of diplomacy often centers on rational, logical and empircal basis. Accidents of fate and the flights of fortunes as well as the individual personalities of the various world leaders are often treated as unimportant at best compared to socio-economic, cultural, historical, geopolitical and ideological conditions conditions. This history of the 20th century should caution us against such a narrow approach. One has to ask several pressing questions against this theory - would the long lasting Sino-German friendship have been pssible without the admittedly unlikely friendship that developed between Adolf Hitler and Chiang Kai-Shek? Would a more rational and less insane Joseph Stalin demanded the recall of the Trotsky and the Soviet Advisors following the death of Sergei Kirov?
Other significant events of the last century have essentially been the acts of fate, chance and personality and it would be unwise to disregard these factors.
- Diplomacy in the 20th Century, Monique Kerr

Nadezhda_Sergeyevna_Alliluyeva_%281901%E2%80%931932%29.jpg


Nadezhda Alliluyeva - Stalin's 2nd wife and anchor to the realm of reality.

It is a generally agreed upon fact that following the death of Stalin's second wife Nadezhda Alliluyeva that Stalin began his winding and twistry road to full blown insanity and to quote a Russian historian "left the realm of reality." This descent into madness would be a long and winding process with Stalin occasionally taking vacations in the realm of reality. In 1934 though Stalin was in full blown paranoia mode. The emergence of a popular challenger in the form of Sergei Kirov only served to enrage Stalin.

Predictably Sergei Kirov later died at the hand of an assasin. Predictably, Stalin used it as an excuse to expel Trotsky and other potential challengers from the Communist Party. Predictably, a show trial was arranged where the assasin - Leonid Nikolaev confessed and said that the assasination was arranged by a ring of "Senior Trotskyists." Predictably there was a large ring around the country full of such supposed 'traitors.' Predictably many of these traitors were in the military and many of these traitors turned out to be opponents of Stalin and Stalinism. The "Great Purges" would effectively destroy the Soviet Union's armed forces organizational capacity and facilitate her humiliation at the hands of the "little Entete" and Japan in late 1930.

Stalin personally demanded the recall of the Soviet Mission from China. The steam ship that had been arranged to return Trotsky and the others was unfortunately 'hijacked' by this motly band of revolutionaries and they comandeered the ship all the way for Mexico - perhaps an unlikely place for a revolutionary to end up - but nevertheless Leon Trotsky was now Senor Trotsky.

The Chinese learnt a lesson from this. The Soviets could ultimately not be trusted. Although Soviet help for the Silk Railway was still forthcoming relations between the two powers turned from warm to cool. Chiang's best laid plan's for breaking China's diplomatic isolation were unravelled and it was then that he and China turned to Italy...

Next Update:
The Duce and the Generalissimo: Sino-Italian Cooperation.
 
Top