Chiang Kai-Shek goes to Germany: An Axis China Timeline

1933 - A tale of Three Friendships
Nivek - Thanks Nivek - and a very happy new year to you and your family too! There's no reason why they can't also call it the "Night of the Long Knives" it's not like the Chinese have a patent on it.

As for the spoiler - well sure she's a bit older but so what :p They love each other and that's the main thing. Their budding friendship is the only thing that butterflies away Geli's suicide. Hopefully this update will flesh out the rise of the Nazis ITL which is helped a bit by Chiang's support.

Wyragen-TXRG4P - Thanks for reading! And that is exactly what happens in this update :)

Hendryk - Thanks for reading! Exit Big Eared Du - Enter T.V Soong :) (well in this update)

LittleSpeer - Thank you for your support - Rest assured China will not go communist - not while Chiang lives anyway.

Drizzt - And there may very well be....

Dan Reilly The Great - Thanks Dan! This update should hopefully flesh out the international politics aspect of things...

OKH_1946 - I've already replied to some of your points in a PM.

1. I haven't quite worked out how the communists will be dealt with. Chiang can use them as a weapon and a convenient tool. Spoiler : some of them will be rotting in trenches outside of Madrid *Spoiler

2. Soong Meiling studied English Literature in America - she suggests the name. Soong is definitely in Chiang's inner circle ITL.

3. Wouldn't you have insecurity issues if a drug lord kidnapped your fiancee on the night of your wedding :p

4. Not just Opium...

5. Spoiler: A militarist Japan will definitely be on the side of the Entete in the Second Great War.

6. Nah, Knight of the Long Knife awards are analogous to the Nazi membership awards and badges - except for the Kuomintang! The dagger thing was a pretty obvious SS reference (or so I thought)

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1933 - A tale of Three Friendships

With his domestic foes cowed and vanquished and his foreign enemies reeling in economic and political crisis Chiang in 1933 was the undisputed master of China. With his home base secure, Chiang began to turn his attention overseas.

Chiang's foreign policy - and by extension - China's foreign policy essentially revolved around the question of unification. Chiang would use every weapon at his disposal, make every promise, charm any person and befriend any country as long as China was once more unified. The most immediate concern was Manchuria. As long as the Anglo-Japanese alliance held firm - there could be no question of attempting to liberate Manchuria, although the National Revolutionary Army could probably defeat the Manchurian Army, China would then be subjected to a crippling blockade. The Anglo-Japanese-French diplomatic block was too firm to attempt to undermine - therefore Chiang had to look for allies overseas in an attempt to escape the Anglo-Japanese-French 'encirclement.'

The Sino-German Treaty of Friendship

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Both Hitler and Hindenburg had close relationships with Chiang Kai-shek.

The most obvious choice was Germany. Chiang's close friendship with Adolf Hitler - who had been appointed Chancellor in 1933 and close relationship with Hindenburg - who was president - was a great and obvious springboard. A state visit which was arranged in July was a great success - Hitler arranged rallies in Chiang and China's honour. Huge screaming crowds of people lined up in Berlin to see the old war-hero. Sino-German cooperation, which had declined since the Treaty of Beijing was once again renewed. The 1933 Treaty of Sino-German Friendship had economic and military implications. German experts and weapons would build railways, develop factories, train Chinese troops and provide advice in return for Chinese silver and Chinese tungsten. German rearnament would begin not in Germany but in China.

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Sino-German cooperation would be an important corner stone in the development of both countries and would mark the beginning of the of one of the world's longest alliances. The 1933 Treaty of Friendship is still active today.

The 1933 Treaty of Friendship also had 3 'secret clauses' The first clause was that China and Germany would come to each other's aid if either power was at war with England. The second clause was that China and Germany would come to each other's aid if either was at war with France. The third clause was defensive - if the Soviet Union declared war on either power - the other was obliged to come to their aid. Interestingly - this clause was not valid in an offensive war.

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Chinse students studying in Leipzig on a field trip.

The Treaty of Friendship would also have radical effects for the German and Chinese economies. German manufacturers and industries had access to a market that the French and English could only dream of - 400 million Chinese. This - combined with Chinese silver and Hitler's aggressive public works plan paved for a recovery of the German economy - well ahead of many European countries. Chinese industry and agriculture would benefit from German expertise - especially in agricultural production with German chemical pesticides. The Treaty of Friendship also had provisions for 'cultural and scientific exchange' - meaning that tens of thousands of Chinese students were allowed to study in Germany universities. In return - China would provide free accomodation and organize tourist trips for the German Kraft durch Freude (Strenght Through Joy) programme.

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Chiang dragged Wang with him to prevent Wang from stirring shit while he was away. Here is Wang getting drunk with some Nazis.


Politically the friendship would also have huge consequences. Hitler's regime was given a big boost in legitimacy as a well respected and powerful leader visited Germany. In China, the pro-German elements of the KMT was strengtened even further - which suited Chiang fine. This was his faction after all. Overall Chiang's visit to Germany in 1933 and the Treaty of Friendship was hugely positive for both nations and would pave the way for the Tripartite Pact in 1940.

Sino-Soviet Friendship

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While a little diplomatically unorthodox - the sending of Mao Zedong as the "Personal Envoy of Chiang Kai-shek" yielded results.

While Chiang was away in Berlin, Mao was dispatched to Moscow as Chiang's personal envoy. Chiang instructions to Mao was to "say, do and promise everything - even a communist revolution - as long as you get Stalin's help in getting Manchuria back." To this day it is still a mystery what the two men discussed in Moscow - but whatever they did it was favourable to China. A Sino-Soviet Friendship Treaty and Non-Aggression Pact was signed on August 28 1933 and a secret clause wherein the Soviet Union promised help to the "People's Republic of China to recover their historical lands." Soviet aid was also secured for the construction of a Sino-Soviet railway which would go through Sinkiang to the Soviet Union utilizing much of the old Silk routes and updating them with railways. Many political prisoners from both countries would die constructing the route in conditions of either extreme heat in the Gobi desert or in extreme cold in the mountains of Sinkiang. Stalin also agreed to send 'skilled political prisoners' for 'rehabilitation' in China where their skills would be put to good use. Although the Soviet-Sino relationship was not as close as the Sino-German one - it was still crucially important.

Sino-American Friendship

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Soong Meiling with the First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt

While the men were away - Soong Meiling played in America where she was authorized by Chiang to act as his 'personal envoy.' Her fluency in English, her Southern accent and the fact that she had studied in America made her the perfect candidate for this task. She completely charmed her American hosts. American companies were invited to invest in China - to entice them, tarriffs on American goods were slashed (but not to the level of German goods) and trade between the two countries took off. Soong Meiling would be the 'human face' of an otherwise grey regime and she would represent China and Chinese interests to many in America...

Meanwhile - back home

While the big cats were away the mouse played. T.V Soong was effectively the acting President - he made most of the opportunity. T.V Soong oversaw an energetic anti-inflation campaign and introduced new taxes and levies while removing those he saw as wasteful. Politically his "Hundred Days Reform" transformed the quiet accountant who stayed in the background into a force with popular backing. When Chiang returned at the end of the year, T.V Soong had become someone to be reckoned with...

Thanks to everyone for their comment and feedback.

More comment and feedback always welcome/ solicited :)
 

The Vulture

Banned
Wow- Chiang is playing every side at once here. Do the reforms and growing popularity in America do anything to counter the bad international press from the recent purge?

You mention that the Sino-German Treaty is still in effect- looks like the war and postwar world (I guess there'll still be a Cold War) will be very different. But I expect no less from AH.com :D.
 
Normally I like to have something to add before I post, but your timeline keeps impressing me more and more.
So thank you for posting another very informative chapter.
 

The Vulture

Banned
I wish I could use that as an excuse when I don't particularly want to hang out with someone.

"Hey man, want to go clubbing?" Sorry, I can't- I'm getting drunk with some Nazis tonight.
 
Sino-German cooperation would be an important corner stone in the development of both countries and would mark the beginning of the of one of the world's longest alliances. The 1933 Treaty of Friendship is still active today.

sounds like a bit of a spoiler

Overall it was a nice update again, you had me worried for a bit there, I thought that this might be another half completed TL again.
 
Playing all sides, eh? Well, given the international context, it makes sense.
Except of course the British and the French (and the Japanese)

Chiang hates them all too much for that!

On an unrelated note: I have summer school and updates will slow down (unfortunately) to about 1 per week.
 
Chiang's China has its hands in alot of pies .Is this TL's WW2 going to be Germany , China , USA , and USSR vs Britain , France and Japan ?
 
Greetings, comrade. Now it is time for some comments an queries (yet again). Ain't got school for time being, so I'm using my time of freedom while it lasts...

LittleSpeer - Thank you for your support - Rest assured China will not go communist - not while Chiang lives anyway.

Are you suggesting that China will go commie?

6. Nah, Knight of the Long Knife awards are analogous to the Nazi membership awards and badges - except for the Kuomintang! The dagger thing was a pretty obvious SS reference (or so I thought)


I did spot the SS reference, by the way...


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Sino-German cooperation would be an important corner stone in the development of both countries and would mark the beginning of the of one of the world's longest alliances. The 1933 Treaty of Friendship is still active today.

I say, this poster looks alarmingly familiar... did you get it from the Alternate Worlds Propaganda thread in the Writer's forum?

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Chiang dragged Wang with him to prevent Wang from stirring shit while he was away. Here is Wang getting drunk with some Nazis.

This could very well be a new AH.com meme...

Random love-smitten boy: Uhh... Hey... are you... free tonignt?

Random hot-but-already-taken girl: I've already got an appointment tonight. I'm getting drunk with a coupola Nazis... Sorry.

Chiang's foreign policy - and by extension - China's foreign policy essentially revolved around the question of unification. Chiang would use every weapon at his disposal, make every promise, charm any person and befriend any country as long as China was once more unified. The most immediate concern was Manchuria. As long as the Anglo-Japanese alliance held firm - there could be no question of attempting to liberate Manchuria, although the National Revolutionary Army could probably defeat the Manchurian Army, China would then be subjected to a crippling blockade. The Anglo-Japanese-French diplomatic block was too firm to attempt to undermine - therefore Chiang had to look for allies overseas in an attempt to escape the Anglo-Japanese-French 'encirclement.'

Sino-American Friendship

Eleanor_Roosevelt_with_Soong_Mei-ling.jpg


Soong Meiling with the First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt

While the men were away - Soong Meiling played in America where she was authorized by Chiang to act as his 'personal envoy.' Her fluency in English, her Southern accent and the fact that she had studied in America made her the perfect candidate for this task. She completely charmed her American hosts. American companies were invited to invest in China - to entice them, tarriffs on American goods were slashed (but not to the level of German goods) and trade between the two countries took off. Soong Meiling would be the 'human face' of an otherwise grey regime and she would represent China and Chinese interests to many in America...

Won't America cease support for China once the latter starts rampaging into Manchuria? Even then it probably won't matter to Chiang right?

Overall, keep up the good work, comrade!

One question regarding the Pinyin Horst Wessel Lied. What will be used as the anthem for the KMT and for Fascist China?

Oh, by the way, did you know that I nominated this TL for a Turtledove Award?
 
Chiang's China has its hands in alot of pies .Is this TL's WW2 going to be Germany , China , USA , and USSR vs Britain , France and Japan ?


I doubt it would turn out that way, unless hitler is going to be killed before WWII starts I don't see how the Russians and Germans don't get into a big scuffle, Hitler was too set on killing commies and slav's. Even if it means destroying all chances Germany has at attaining victory (as happened OTL). And I don't see the US taking sides against two western democracies on the same side as a bunch of non democracic nation. An isolationist USA I can see, but not one who willingly goes to the mat for the "commies, fascists, and yellow folks" without massive provocation. And I don't see the entente powers being foolish enough to provoke the USA.
 

LittleSpeer

Monthly Donor
This is going very good and you should really keep going. Fast...Faster...Fasterer...Fastest.....Fasterest.

p.s.
thanks for making this update a one that makes sure that China will not be Red.
 
I doubt it would turn out that way, unless hitler is going to be killed before WWII starts I don't see how the Russians and Germans don't get into a big scuffle, Hitler was too set on killing commies and slav's. Even if it means destroying all chances Germany has at attaining victory (as happened OTL). And I don't see the US taking sides against two western democracies on the same side as a bunch of non democracic nation. An isolationist USA I can see, but not one who willingly goes to the mat for the "commies, fascists, and yellow folks" without massive provocation. And I don't see the entente powers being foolish enough to provoke the USA.
Wasn't one of the reasons we went to war with Japan in OTL was because Japan happened to be messing with China and the American public didn't take to kindly with that ?With TTL's China forging closer ties with the USA , wouldn't the same attitude prevail when Japan and China duke it out ?

I do agree with you about Hitler's hate towards commies and slavs preventing an alliance with the Russians and the USA allying with Germany against Britain and France now that I think about .
 
Wasn't one of the reasons we went to war with Japan in OTL was because Japan happened to be messing with China and the American public didn't take to kindly with that ?With TTL's China forging closer ties with the USA , wouldn't the same attitude prevail when Japan and China duke it out ?

I do agree with you about Hitler's hate towards commies and slavs preventing an alliance with the Russians and the USA allying with Germany against Britain and France now that I think about .


The political will to declare war on Japan did not exist until after the attack on Pearl Harbor. Although the White house may not have liked it, it lacked significant support for going to war over just China, perhaps in a year or two that may have changed, but without a direct attack on the US war with Japan was far from certain. Now judging by the events up until now it appears that the Japanese will get kicked out of the mainland alltogether. And without an active military campaign in China, Roosevelt may not even enact an embargo against the Japanses, and as such the Japanese may not have the motivation to actually go to war with the US. Even if the US does embargo Japan they can get their oil elsewhere, perhaps from Russia or maybe even the entente powers. Either way, an axis US is highly unlikely.
 
Well, thanks for the gretings, like i said the periodic but excellent update are the best(one per week will be good, better if you keep that after the Holidays), well abou the post:

1. the Sino-German Friendship(who in OTL was cancelled by China weakness who doesn't apply yo this TL), seems to be crucial for the developmt of the TL(again the giant laboratory who will be China), and yes the clausules are good(but again that doen't allow Barbarossa... Unless Stalin strike first:eek:, and that will be a posibility by the butterflies), and yes, the Irony for the Picture of Jiang with the Nazis(that was when Jiang become a vassal of the Japanesse in 1940) and the new context of this(the joy spirit of the negotiations,xd)

2. Well Mao go to Mosku(In OTL he only was a little time how student and like a bad student anyway,:D), and like Chiang ask, say anything to obtain help to return the manchuria(but the Vladivostk Area was former China, the same for Sahakin, that will means somethin in the future) but in the Clause said: 'People Republic of China', ummm.... that can means a lot of thing(live China having a lot of name for the propouse of the Alliance), well, but again, Chiang and China will have to choose in their moment... or back to the Russia who want china being their puppet(for that the Sino-Soviet split) who have some colonial past again china(originally The Manchuria was a Russian aim) or Again Germany, who was the most honest and less colonial one(i leave that question to Chiang when *Barbarossa start)

3. The good Open Door Policy with the American(and using the Soong sister who was the most americaphile), and again, the mostly of the USA have a Isolationism and Anti-Colonial feeling(against their Self-rigthenouss actions) and that will be critical when the Entente(again the political corectness is vital to understand the geopolitics) ask to help(specially if the japanesse are with them:D) because they have to asnwer for their colonial actions again countries who want revenge/return their national areas(i can see Lidhberg said who the chinesse and a lesser extent the german actions are similar to the Americans during the ARW), again the butterflies are crucial to see the efects but FDR have some bad critics again him

4. T.V Soong(again i think in a channel when i saw the name,xd), making some good economics actions, and well, he will become the 'Center' in China, live support the actions of reunify the countries by avoiding being in a geopolitical mess(who is now thanks to the butterflies).

well yes the name is free, but i think Chiang start to be influence(but i think who Chiang being foreing will be Inmune to the more hardcore nazi doctrines) by his BFF, but some of the Nazis influence was for the same Wilhemine Germany(the adward are traditions in germany), and some will be sane(maybe being the most sane member in the Axis), but again the butterflies and how analyze is dificult(all TL start to have their own life, isn't it??)

And About the Alliance system:Forget any basic system, except perphalls the Entete(Britain,France, occupied minor european power??)-¿the Japanesse?), the Axis(Berlin-Nanjing-Rome)and the Comintern(USSR and puppets). That are the most 'Fixed' one, the rest depend of the actions against annoy or can convice,well in a scenario in a full Isolationism USA(without L&L) The Entente and Comintern are dead(in all ways), the Isolationism but with the L&L, again depend of the butterflies, but without Pearl Harbor(the Axis doesn't have that naval power) is hard to do something but again Britain will live a little longer.

again you're will have the last word, but again check with careful the butterflies and decitions, that will resume any kind of Scenario for WW2 and still have to wait like 6 year for that(if germany actions are on schedule), and the actions and their ways can have a lots of butterflies(except for the fixed details)

This TL is awesome, every time I'm read is better, i want to see the WW2 parts and the possible post-krieg, but again being pacience, the update rhymt is acceptable(with your own obligations) and keeping to see all, i wish luck

Att

Nivek Grossherzog von Beldo

P.S. How are the India Situation, they will still listen the dove of Ghandi or accept the most realisitc alternative of the Netaji (maybe if the Sitzkrieg and fall of france is worst for the Entente)

P.S.2. what will do John Rabe(aka the Good man of Nanjing) in TTL,???
 
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