Snake Featherston
Banned
For the purposes of the discussion the POD here is that Lee defeats McClellan in an open-field battle where McClellan actively tries to lead the Army of the Potomac, his inexperience leads him to make major mistakes, and Lee "wins" a gruesome bloodbath that only qualifies as a "victory" because McClellan winds up withdrawing to "shield Washington", though none of this is as clear overseas, while Bragg wins simultaneously a Super-Perryville. Iuka and Second Corinth are still victories for Grant and Rosecrans, but they obviously matter far less in this case.
Thus the UK and France decide that the CSA's able to win the war in its own right, recognize it, and dictate mediation (essentially a TL-191 style short war victory). As to the details of how this works, I invoke the MST3K Mantra's AH version: It's just a scenario, you really should relax. Don't ask how it happens, just go with the assumption that it does as it's incidental to the topic here.
Now, this is a cultural history challenge on a side of a Union defeat that's usually neglected: the Union will in almost all realistic scenarios retain Delaware, Maryland, and Missouri, and in most scenarios is more likely to keep, as opposed to lose, Kentucky. What happens to slavery in the post-War of Secession USA?
The Union slave states IOTL weren't exactly keen on altering the institution until later in the war when they changed in tune with the whole of the USA. But they're also not going to want to join the Confederacy even when it wins the war when they weren't interested in doing this in 1862-3 IOTL. The Union still, thus, will retain a significant and vital chunk of territory where slavery is a surviving institution in any scenario where there's now a CSA to the south.
What does the USA *do* with the slaves still on its territory? How would these people impact the development of race-relations in the ATL USA?
Thus the UK and France decide that the CSA's able to win the war in its own right, recognize it, and dictate mediation (essentially a TL-191 style short war victory). As to the details of how this works, I invoke the MST3K Mantra's AH version: It's just a scenario, you really should relax. Don't ask how it happens, just go with the assumption that it does as it's incidental to the topic here.
Now, this is a cultural history challenge on a side of a Union defeat that's usually neglected: the Union will in almost all realistic scenarios retain Delaware, Maryland, and Missouri, and in most scenarios is more likely to keep, as opposed to lose, Kentucky. What happens to slavery in the post-War of Secession USA?
The Union slave states IOTL weren't exactly keen on altering the institution until later in the war when they changed in tune with the whole of the USA. But they're also not going to want to join the Confederacy even when it wins the war when they weren't interested in doing this in 1862-3 IOTL. The Union still, thus, will retain a significant and vital chunk of territory where slavery is a surviving institution in any scenario where there's now a CSA to the south.
What does the USA *do* with the slaves still on its territory? How would these people impact the development of race-relations in the ATL USA?