Charlotte of Wales survives and has children, consequences?

It will seriously depend on how committed [William] is to continuing his family's rule of Hanover. If he's serious, he'll find someone much younger to marry and make sure she pops out the requisite son.

If he succeeds in 1830... he's 65. Why would he now decide it is urgent to have a male heir of his own? With four younger brothers, continuation of the family in Hanover is not in any danger.

Before Charlotte's death, the succession at Hanover was already likely to split from Britain, and William didn't show any concern then. So with the British succession secure, he might remain a bachelor.

If succeeding in Hanover changed his mind, he could try marrying some wench who is "good breeding stock" (to quote the Duke of Chalfont in Kind Hearts and Coronets). But he could well match the experience of Louis XII of France, who re-married at 53, and killed himself in three months with futile efforts to beget a son.
 
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If he succeeds in 1830... he's 65. Why would he now decide it is urgent to have a male heir of his own? With four younger brothers, continuation of the family in Hanover is not in any danger.

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I was just answering V's question. What I really expect is for the guy to run around like Mel Brooks in "History of the World, Pt. I" going "It's good to be the king!" as he chases the maids........
 
Leopold never becomes king of Belgium and Leopold II is never born. We just butterflied away the Congo genocide.

English history is unlikely to differ much from the Victorian era of OTL. Both Charlotte and Victoria supported the Whigs, and Charlotte held the same resentments as her cousin regarding the sexual licentiousness of the Hanover men. The biggest difference was Victoria's lack of charisma. Think of her as Hillary Clinton to Charlotte's Bill.
 
Leopold never becomes king of Belgium and Leopold II is never born. We just butterflied away the Congo genocide.

English history is unlikely to differ much from the Victorian era of OTL. Both Charlotte and Victoria supported the Whigs, and Charlotte held the same resentments as her cousin regarding the sexual licentiousness of the Hanover men. The biggest difference was Victoria's lack of charisma. Think of her as Hillary Clinton to Charlotte's Bill.

I always thought Victoria was meant to have been very charismatic and lively until her marriage.
 
I always thought Victoria was meant to have been very charismatic and lively until her marriage.

She was a cipher, loved by the king, not really known except as the heiress apparent.

Victoria's mother made "Helicopter Moms" look like candidates for neglectful mothers of the year. Victoria slept in her mother's room until she was Queen. However, she did enjoy Albert (hated pregnancies and kids, though) once they were married. Vicky did have a backbone, though. She withstood said mother and mother's rumored lover's attempt to force her to employ him and still let her mother be in charge of Victoria.
 
Meanwhile, back at the ranch.....

Charlotte will not have nine or ten children like Victoria and will not be the 'grandmother of Europe' or whatever. That will change dynamics in Europe, as the family ties won't be binding quite so tight.

Her Serene Highness May of Teck will remain serene and a second-rate royal, unlike OTL when she was engaged to the Prince of Wales (who died and gets mentioned as a possible Jack the Ripper by ill-informed enthusiasts) and got the second son and a promotion to the first rate royals.

We won't have the disaster of Edward VIII (him, personally, not the abdication, that was a good thing for UK), nor his brother or his niece and we'll have been spared the drama that was Diana and the debacle that was her marriage, and, of course, William, Harry, George, Charlotte and whoever's cooking are all butterflied away.

Charlotte is looking better and better........
 
Meanwhile, back at the ranch.....

Charlotte will not have nine or ten children like Victoria and will not be the 'grandmother of Europe' or whatever. That will change dynamics in Europe, as the family ties won't be binding quite so tight.

Her Serene Highness May of Teck will remain serene and a second-rate royal, unlike OTL when she was engaged to the Prince of Wales (who died and gets mentioned as a possible Jack the Ripper by ill-informed enthusiasts) and got the second son and a promotion to the first rate royals.

We won't have the disaster of Edward VIII (him, personally, not the abdication, that was a good thing for UK), nor his brother or his niece and we'll have been spared the drama that was Diana and the debacle that was her marriage, and, of course, William, Harry, George, Charlotte and whoever's cooking are all butterflied away.

Charlotte is looking better and better........


Maybe the more involved version of the royal family means Britain isn't such a cluster fuck with a high rate of suicide, mass unemployment or even mass division
 
We won't have the disaster of Edward VIII (him, personally, not the abdication, that was a good thing for UK), nor his brother or his niece and we'll have been spared the drama that was Diana and the debacle that was her marriage, and, of course, William, Harry, George, Charlotte and whoever's cooking are all butterflied away.
It's quite possible that royals similar to the ones you mentioned could still exist. I don't think having a prince of Wales with a fucked up marriage is that unlikely, actually it's probably going to happen eventually.
 
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