Charles the Bold has a daughter with his first wife

POD: Catherine of France, first wife of Charles the Bold, lives a bit longer, she dies in 1450, giving birth to a daughter, who happens to be healthy and lives to adulthood. Charles later remarries twice like IOTL and has another daughter *Agnes* by Isabella de Bourbon. So what would be effect of older heiress of Burgundy? She should marry before father's death, and some of OTL suitors of Mary of Burgundy would be too young for her (including Maximilian Habsburg). Nicholas of Lorraine and Charles of Berry are only slightly older than her (but de Berry is her uncle, it would be harder for him to get dispensation) and George of Clarence (poor Burgundy...) is almost of the same age (so instead of single Yorkist-Burgundian marriage in 1468 there could be double marriage ITTL). Which option is the most likely?
 
Perhaps, if Yorkist option works, George dies alongside Charles on one of his adventures or something unfortunate happens to him earlier, so Burgundy would be ruled by his widowed wife and then inherited by their kids, that is certainly better than George's rule.
 
Well Nicholas of Anjou would be the best match followed by George of Clarence (but kill him off before or together with his father-in-law please)
 
Yorkist Burgundy... huh. That might give a good cause for England to intervene in the succession war (provided that Agnes marries Maximilian ITTL like Mary did in OTL, otherwise the war would probably just be considered the final phase of the 100 years war since it would just be France and England)
 
What about Edward IV + Mary of Burgundy? Perhaps John Grey lives, E4 can't marry Elizabeth Woodville. In 1464, when Edward married Elizabeth IOTL, Mary of Burgundy from this TL would be 14 years old, so marriageable, and with Edward's pro-Burgundian turn it seems likely.
 
So mary is the older daughter in this TL right?

(I'm also writing a Burgundy TL atm so feel free to bounce some ideas off me)
Yes, Mary (b.1450) is daughter of Charles the Bold and Catherine of France, daughter of Charles and Isabella of Bourbon is named Agnes.

BTW do you think that *Agnes* could still marry Maximilian?
 
Yes, Mary (b.1450) is daughter of Charles the Bold and Catherine of France, daughter of Charles and Isabella of Bourbon is named Agnes.

BTW do you think that *Agnes* could still marry Maximilian?

Yeah I think it's certainly possible, but otl Mary had a lot of people trying to marry her, so it's up to you. Just as in OTL, I imagine that the dauphin of France isn't chosen, but another Englishman could be if you really want to wank them. If Agnes marries Maximilian, I doubt he'd have a significant of a claim like in OTL to go to war because she isnt the ruler.
 
Yeah I think it's certainly possible, but otl Mary had a lot of people trying to marry her, so it's up to you. Just as in OTL, I imagine that the dauphin of France isn't chosen, but another Englishman could be if you really want to wank them. If Agnes marries Maximilian, I doubt he'd have a significant of a claim like in OTL to go to war because she isnt the ruler.
What would you say about Nicholas d'Anjou for Agnes?
 
Yes, Mary (b.1450) is daughter of Charles the Bold and Catherine of France, daughter of Charles and Isabella of Bourbon is named Agnes.

BTW do you think that *Agnes* could still marry Maximilian?

What would you say about Nicholas d'Anjou for Agnes?
Nicholas work better for Mary (as union between Lorraine and Burgundy is pretty logical). And Agnes and Maximilian is still a wedding who make a lot of sense as Agnes will bring a lot of money as dowry.
I can see very well Charles/Nicholas giving Agnes and a very fat dowry to Maximilian in exchange of a Royal Crown from Friedrich...
 
What would you say about Nicholas d'Anjou for Agnes?

For the sake of having a York rule Burgundy, probably not. Nicholas being married to Agnes instead of Anne of France means that he most likely doesnt die in 1473 (he was supposedly poisoned by the King of France). Therefore it makes it extremely difficult for Charles the Bold to invade Lorraine like he did in 1474,since his daughter is married to the duke, and he doesnt die at nancy as a result. Therefore, higher chance of him eventually having a son (he was only in his 40s) and no York Burgundy.
 
For the sake of having a York rule Burgundy, probably not. Nicholas being married to Agnes instead of Anne of France means that he most likely doesnt die in 1473 (he was supposedly poisoned by the King of France). Therefore it makes it extremely difficult for Charles the Bold to invade Lorraine like he did in 1474,since his daughter is married to the duke, and he doesnt die at nancy as a result. Therefore, higher chance of him eventually having a son (he was only in his 40s) and no York Burgundy.
Well Margaret of York was likely sterile so pretty unlikely for them having children but still a York match for Mary and Nicholas for Agnes do not make any sense. Mary to Nicholas and Agnes to Maximilian is a more logical choice
 
What about Edward IV + Mary of Burgundy? Perhaps John Grey lives, E4 can't marry Elizabeth Woodville. In 1464, when Edward married Elizabeth IOTL, Mary of Burgundy from this TL would be 14 years old, so marriageable, and with Edward's pro-Burgundian turn it seems likely.

Would Warwick still spit the dummy here? His pro-France policy has still been rejected, and Edward is still asserting himself as king rather than letting Warwick run the show, but the marriage with Mary is sufficiently high profile that it can't happen secretly behind his back- so there's no extra humiliation here. And there's no parvenu Woodvilles crowding out the court.

Though even without Warwick, the French would be rather perturbed at the prospect of an English-Burgundian Union (probably having unpleasant HYW flashbacks), and will try something with Edward of Westminster.
 
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