Charles James Duke of Rothesay lives

Charles James was the oldest son of Charles I of England and his wife Henrietta Maria, he was born on 13th May, 1629 and died the same day.

If he had not died and had instead survived, when his younger brother OTL Charles II was born, what would this child have been called?

And if we say Charles James is a cross between his younger brother and his father personality wise, what consequences might this bring for relations with Parliament, foreign policy, and religion?
 
This is the list of sons and names:
Charles II 13 May 1629
James 29 May 1630 (OTL Charles II)
Henry 14 October 1633 (OTL James II & VII)
Frederick 8 July 1640 (OTL Henry)

Frederick was the middle name of Charles I's older brother, Henry Frederick, Prince of Wales, whose middle name was derives from his maternal grandfathers, Frederick II of Denmark.

Does this new Charles II, marry Catherine of Braganza? And does his father still get executed?
 
Which younger brother?

OTL Charles II

This is the list of sons and names:
Charles II 13 May 1629
James 29 May 1630 (OTL Charles II)
Henry 14 October 1633 (OTL James II & VII)
Frederick 8 July 1640 (OTL Henry)

Frederick was the middle name of Charles I's older brother, Henry Frederick, Prince of Wales, whose middle name was derives from his maternal grandfathers, Frederick II of Denmark.

Does this new Charles II, marry Catherine of Braganza? And does his father still get executed?

Interesting, hmm, I am not sure, how likely is it that Charles I could've won the civil war?
 
Two scenarios really:

Charles I loses the civil war still, upon the restoration Charles James can marry either:

Catherine of Braganza

Anna Sophia of Denmark

Those are the two who stood out

Are there any other possible options?

And in a scenario where Charles I wins the civil war what might happen there? Or alternatively if he dies during the war bur his son manages to rally the forces and win what happens then?
 
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And in a scenario where Charles I wins the civil war what might happen there? Or alternatively if he dies during the war bur his son manages to rally the forces and win what happens then?

First off I will bury this elephant in the room I doubt, this young prince will change the out come of the Civil war, so events go the same as OTL

Catherine of Braganza
What is the point of having an alternative history, just for us, to throw the rubbish back in :D

Catherine, was an unpopular consort, catholic and produced no heirs. So for this I will keep her away

Anna Sophia of Denmark
I think Anna Sophia would be a bit too young, born in 1647 she is 18 years younger then Prince Charles James and with a Restoration in 1660, the monarchy will want more then just a 13 year old.

Her half-aunt, Hedwig of Schleswig-Holstein, daughter of king Christian IV of Denmark and his second wife, Kirsten Munk, could make a plausible wife.

Are there any other possible options?
The best option in my honest opinion would be Countess Louise Henriette of Nassau. Her mother, Amalia of Solms-Braunfels, had royal ambitions for her. While in exile at the Hague, Amalia, had attempted to conclude an engagement with OTL King Charles II of England.
With Charles James, being older, he may see the advantage in marrying Louise.
His sister, Mary, Princess Royal was married to William II, Prince of Orange (Louise's brother) on 2 May 1641.

Another match could be, Sophia of the Palatinate (commonly referred to as Sophia of Hanover) daughter of Frederick V, Elector Palatine, and Elizabeth Stuart, who in turn was daughter of James VI and I, king of Scotland and England.

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King Charles II and Queen Louise of England, Scotland, France and Ireland, were married on 27 November 1645 at The Hague.
During her marriage, Louise acted as her husband's political adviser and was described as a pragmatist, while also being truly kind and gentle with a sharp intellect becoming one of the most influential consort in history.

After the Great Fire of London, in 1666, Louise made great efforts to soften the damages upon society and founded an orphanage, to deal with the effects of the fire.


Palace of Orangewich, on the river Thames opposite the Tudor, Palace of Placentia, in Greenwich.

Their children:
- Charles III (1648)
- Henrietta (1650)
- Charlotte (1653)
- Henry (1655)
- Frederick (1657)
- Mary (1661)
- James (1664)
- Louise (1666)

On 18 June 1667, tragedy struck not only the king but the nation as a whole when Queen Louise died, aged 39.

Struck with grief, the 38 year old, did not expect to look for another wife, however the second wife, came in the form of his cousin, Elisabeth of the Palatinate, daughter of Frederick V, Elector Palatine, and Elizabeth Stuart, who in turn was daughter of James VI and I, king of Scotland and England.

The marriage resulted in no further children, but Elizabeth, famed for her intelligent and caring nature, supported Charles and his children's upbringing.
While acting as consort she introduces many of Descartes' works and philosophy to English professors, increasing his popularity as well as creating large Abbesses in England and Scotland, whoms function it was to oversee people and their homes and families.
Through her religious ideology influencing English court, she was able to turn the nation into a refuge for people seeking religious freedom and asylum.
 
Interesting so you don't think that butterflies from his survival could include victory in the civil war?

And okay interesting suggestions, I like :)

For the titles would his brothers be Duke of York, Gloucester etc?
 
If Prince Charles James, born in 1629, survives, none of his later siblings would be their OTL selves. The effect of another child on Charles I and Maria Theresa would certainly change the details of their lives such that different sperms would fertilise different eggs for all subsequent children. Gender, health, personality- all would be radically different.

For subsequent siblings to be convergent with OTL would be unlikely in the extreme.
 
Interesting so you don't think that butterflies from his survival could include victory in the civil war?

And okay interesting suggestions, I like :)

For the titles would his brothers be Duke of York, Gloucester etc?

As for titles I dont think the new stuart family would just do the conventional English titles.

Maybe the titles would be united like Prince of Wales and Edinburgh.

Duke of Albany
Duke of Ross
Earl of Mar
 
If Prince Charles James, born in 1629, survives, none of his later siblings would be their OTL selves. The effect of another child on Charles I and Maria Theresa would certainly change the details of their lives such that different sperms would fertilise different eggs for all subsequent children. Gender, health, personality- all would be radically different.

For subsequent siblings to be convergent with OTL would be unlikely in the extreme.

Very true.

As for titles I dont think the new stuart family would just do the conventional English titles.

Maybe the titles would be united like Prince of Wales and Edinburgh.

Duke of Albany
Duke of Ross
Earl of Mar

Hmm I'm not sure they used English titles in otl
 
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I would doubt very much that his survival would be able to stem the tide against King Charles I. I am sure that the Charles I would have ended up the exact same way that he did in OTL.

Prince Charles James would become King Charles II in the Restoration 1660.
OTL Charles II would be Duke of York and Albany, the other OTL brothers would also have been given English dukedoms.

If he marries Catherine of Braganza, she would undoubtedly fail to produce heirs to the throne and the crown would then have gone to the Duke of York (OTL Charles II). He off course would have been married to somebody else and would likely have produced heirs, given that he fathered so many illegitimate children he was able to do so. Ultimately this would have led to the House of Stuart having more viable protestant raised heirs to the throne and could well have meant the survival of the dynasty and and that the Act of Settlement and the Glorious Revolution would never have happened.
 
I would doubt very much that his survival would be able to stem the tide against King Charles I. I am sure that the Charles I would have ended up the exact same way that he did in OTL.

Prince Charles James would become King Charles II in the Restoration 1660.
OTL Charles II would be Duke of York and Albany, the other OTL brothers would also have been given English dukedoms.

If he marries Catherine of Braganza, she would undoubtedly fail to produce heirs to the throne and the crown would then have gone to the Duke of York (OTL Charles II). He off course would have been married to somebody else and would likely have produced heirs, given that he fathered so many illegitimate children he was able to do so. Ultimately this would have led to the House of Stuart having more viable protestant raised heirs to the throne and could well have meant the survival of the dynasty and and that the Act of Settlement and the Glorious Revolution would never have happened.

All true and if Charles James marries someone else other than Catherine and has heirs then how might things progress?
 
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