Charles II marries Sophia of Hanover

The country in most urgent trouble of having crazy King is Denmark (where Frederick IV's son or grandson may get the disease, since they'll be getting the pattern Prussians got OTL).
 
The country in most urgent trouble of having crazy King is Denmark (where Frederick IV's son or grandson may get the disease, since they'll be getting the pattern Prussians got OTL).
From Sophie charlottE. Ah that’s unfortunate, perhaps someone such as a Christian vi might get thr insanity edge
 
Also query, would Clarendon have always been destined to fall. Even with a better performance in the second anglo Dutch war
 
Clarendon would still be Lord Chancellor, it is true, and TTL his position is likely to be even stabler, ironically, without being related to royal family by marriage.
 
Clarendon would still be Lord Chancellor, it is true, and TTL his position is likely to be even stabler, ironically, without being related to royal family by marriage.
Oh this is very true, as you said before he'd likely get that earldom later on not immediately. Clarendon maybe being part of the cabal would be hilarious
 
I was listening to a podcast regarding Russian colonization of Siberia in XVII century, and found a very interesting girl (though rather obscure and died at the age of 22 OTL, childless): Pelagia Dmitrievna Strogonova (1658-1680)
Her brother (and only sibling) was the largest Russian landowner after Tsar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigory_Dmitriyevich_Stroganov She was the closest thing 1670ies Russia had to La Grande Mademoiselle in term of dowry her family could pony up.
Maybe, after the fail of foreign marriage for Tsarevich Alexei, Tsar looks for domestic bride that comes with same degree of prestige/outlandish dowry, so not needing extra favors from Royal family? And that's where Pelagia (and her family's absurd fortune) comes in.
The only pro of Natalya Naryshkina in comparison is that she is a ward of Tsar's favorite, as she comes from very poor family (explaining Miloslavski vs Naryshkin feud, two nouve riche families duking it out). She is also 2 years older than Alexei, so, if poor health becomes evident, she may be picked due to "being able to have kids earlier" factor?
 
What I've found on Alexei Alekseevich (translation into English by me):
One of his educators was the courtier F.M. Rtishchev Bolshoi, who considered Alexei Alekseevich to be an exemplary pupil, almost a miracle. "Prematurely developing, too serious for his years, at the age of ten he was not interested in toys brought from Germany. He preferred reading. In his library grammar books, dictionaries, books on mathematics and geography, maps and terrestrial globes alternated with Russian annals. Foreign chronists, naturally expecting a miracle from this rival of Pico de la Mirandola, may have slightly exaggerated such an early development of his intellect. At the age of twelve he seemed to be fluent in Latin and composed poetry. He read classics and studied philosophy. Unfortunately, his teachers completely missed the physical exercises from his upbringing and excluded from it any occupation with art, but more reasonably they inspired their pupil with respect for national customs. The rooms of the young prince reflected this mixture of conservative spirit with progressive aspirations. His bedroom was cluttered with icons and physical appliances along with European furnishings and a host of secular trinkets. Also very early, the prince was attached to business, and in 1666-1667 Kryzhanich, exiled to Siberia, tried to enter into relations with this future sovereign, who gave such hopes. In the same era, Aleksei's son became a candidate for the throne of Poland, and at the age thirteen years he delivered a lengthy speechto the Polish envoys half in Latin and half in Polish.
 
So, there is an idea of Alexis I remarrying as OTL, though with better luck in X-chromosomes from previous marriage the Naryshkins don't have as much leverage at court; meanwhile the chosen wife for Alexis Jr. is abovementioned Pelagia Stroganova (married in 1672 at the age of 14 OTL, same is TTL only the groom is Tsarevich). Her brother was the person the most on-board with idea of iron/copper production plants on the Urals, so it is a boon for future economic reforms.
Thoughts?
 
So, there is an idea of Alexis I remarrying as OTL, though with better luck in X-chromosomes from previous marriage the Naryshkins don't have as much leverage at court; meanwhile the chosen wife for Alexis Jr. is abovementioned Pelagia Stroganova (married in 1672 at the age of 14 OTL, same is TTL only the groom is Tsarevich). Her brother was the person the most on-board with idea of iron/copper production plants on the Urals, so it is a boon for future economic reforms.
Thoughts?
I like it! Also alexis sounds like he'd have made a dope ass ruler
 
Given that the bride was customary chosen by bride show, and the Stroganovs are way too important family to plot against their candidate, let's just say Alexis Jr. picked Pelagia on bride show, instead of poorer brides with greedy relatives (being from family that can spend thousands on dress/make-up, this is not hard). Meanwhile Natalya Naryshkina either does not marry into Royal family, or as OTL becomes second wife of Alexis I but her role is minor (in this case just switch Ivan&Feodosia gender/health and have Peter be OTL Peter, though relegated to minor role).
 
Given that the bride was customary chosen by bride show, and the Stroganovs are way too important family to plot against their candidate, let's just say Alexis Jr. picked Pelagia on bride show, instead of poorer brides with greedy relatives (being from family that can spend thousands on dress/make-up, this is not hard). Meanwhile Natalya Naryshkina either does not marry into Royal family, or as OTL becomes second wife of Alexis I but her role is minor (in this case just switch Ivan&Feodosia gender/health and have Peter be OTL Peter, though relegated to minor role).
That sounds good to me, I assume she's be relegated to nothingness once alexis II ascends
 
Ilya Miloslavski as well. So, no OTL feuds, given how Alexis would be 22/23 and married at the time of ascension (and from contacts with his brother-in-law having the program of economic reforms the rich merchants may favor, as well as sources to support mercenary army should the war in the Ukraine go very different from OTL (likely with Neuburg Poland)).
 
Found a genealogy, by the way, that states that Pelagia did not die childless - she apparently had the only child, son, named Ivan (TTL Michael II), but he was quite long-living (1676-1741). And given that whatever condition Alexis may have inherited from his mother was X-chromosome linked, his son would not have this, so he would live quite a long (and productive) life.
She apparently died giving birth to her second child or something like this.
http://genealogy.euweb.cz/russia/galitzin1.html#AI
 
Found a genealogy, by the way, that states that Pelagia did not die childless - she apparently had the only child, son, named Ivan (TTL Michael II), but he was quite long-living (1676-1741). And given that whatever condition Alexis may have inherited from his mother was X-chromosome linked, his son would not have this, so he would live quite a long (and productive) life.
She apparently died giving birth to her second child or something like this.
http://genealogy.euweb.cz/russia/galitzin1.html#AI
Interesting so could we expect two kids from her and alexis then?
 
Yes. Her second child OTL was a lethal miscarriage, but we can expect at least a son in 1676 and another child in 1680 (more if she survives the ordeal). Though expectations on Tsarina are different from those on noblewoman, so I think the entire 1677-1680 period will be spent attempting to produce a spare, with mixed results. And given Ivan V's OTL health we have until roughly 1681-1682 when health issues will become truly disabling.
I also think that no Tsar's full brothers (Feodor b.1661; TTL Ivan b.1662 (or should gender-bent Feodosia be named Simeon to keep the names of Alexis I kids in order?) would marry earlier than 1680. For Feodor his OTL second wife may well become his first wife TTL (given that falcon hunts will still be the big thing at court (Alexis Jr.'s tutor was the court's head falconer) so the hunt-loving crowd of OTL friends of Feodor III will be present at Alexis II' court, and Feodor may, like OTL, marry a relation of his friend, namely Marfa Apraxina). For TTL Ivan/Simeon I'm browsing the nobility genealogy for a bride related to important/capable family.
 
Also, found a title for said Ivan/Simeon (never used for late Rurikids, but then it would be the first Tsar in ages to have adult brothers upon ascension) - Prince of Rostov. Back when it was a sovereign fief of middle ages in 15th century, Romanovs intermarried with the rulers of this principality.
P.S. A very fitting bride for him would be Maria Petrovna Sheremeteva (1668-1737), daughter and sister of celebrated Russian generals. Said girl may as well be considered as a bride for healthy! Ivan V instead of Marfa Apraxina in the Gloucester TL discussion thread.
 
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Yes. Her second child OTL was a lethal miscarriage, but we can expect at least a son in 1676 and another child in 1680 (more if she survives the ordeal). Though expectations on Tsarina are different from those on noblewoman, so I think the entire 1677-1680 period will be spent attempting to produce a spare, with mixed results. And given Ivan V's OTL health we have until roughly 1681-1682 when health issues will become truly disabling.
I also think that no Tsar's full brothers (Feodor b.1661; TTL Ivan b.1662 (or should gender-bent Feodosia be named Simeon to keep the names of Alexis I kids in order?) would marry earlier than 1680. For Feodor his OTL second wife may well become his first wife TTL (given that falcon hunts will still be the big thing at court (Alexis Jr.'s tutor was the court's head falconer) so the hunt-loving crowd of OTL friends of Feodor III will be present at Alexis II' court, and Feodor may, like OTL, marry a relation of his friend, namely Marfa Apraxina). For TTL Ivan/Simeon I'm browsing the nobility genealogy for a bride related to important/capable family.

Okay interesting Agreed re the marriages for the brothers.

Also, found a title for said Ivan/Simeon (never used for late Rurikids, but then it would be the first Tsar in ages to have adult brothers upon ascension) - Prince of Rostov. Back when it was a sovereign fief of middle ages in 15th century, Romanovs intermarried with the rulers of this principality.
P.S. A very fitting bride for him would be Maria Petrovna Sheremeteva (1668-1737), daughter and sister of celebrated Russian generals. Said girl may as well be considered as a bride for healthy! Ivan V instead of Marfa Apraxina in the Gloucester TL discussion thread.
Prince of Rostov and Maria sound great
 
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