Charles II marries Sophia of Hanover

Regarding portrayal of TTL Peter (gender-bent Feodosia) I imagine him as Navy-loving as OTL Peter (and for the same reason of inheriting estate of Nikita Romanov with its collection of amusement boats), but complete opposite otherwise, being a pious and in general sober person (Feodosia OTL was one of the most if not the most pious of Alexis I children). Regarding hobbies, not much is decided on, though possible artistic gift towards painting/drawing is possible (along with love of falcon hunting inhered from father).
Feodor, while being into military TTL, will retain his OTL hobbies of being amateur composer (in OTL some of church hymns he composed are still performed) & patron of arts/architecture (not to mention the falcon hunting which he was rather fond of OTL). Another weird hobby of him OTL was collecting singing birds.
Oh interesting so Peter could be admiral in the Russian navy?

And those interests seem quite eclectic aha
 
Oh interesting so Peter could be admiral in the Russian navy?
Or a founder of it as it was just nascent (Archangelsk was the only pre-existing port, but TTL there may be possibility of agreement regarding renting Courland harbors). Something on Black Sea can be added in 1680ies (Ochakov is too much under threat from Turks, but Tanais (OTL Taganrog, TTL called by the name of Greek settlement which stood in its place once) is a go).
Would there also be some vying for power between Feodor and Peter?
They would be just 1 year apart, so they are likely to be close in their pasttimes. Brothers that close in age rarely develop rivalry (though it may happen, it would be quite apart from OTL personalities of both).

Reading on Alexis II education, he had stuff for physical experiments in his rooms, along the collection of books on different humanitarian sciences, and quite liked to perform these. The reports of him indicate bookish nerdy kid, who may get interested in theatre after marriage due to his wife's influence (Russian Leopold I regarding hobbies).
 
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Or a founder of it as it was just nascent (Archangelsk was the only pre-existing port, but TTL there may be possibility of agreement regarding renting Courland harbors). Something on Black Sea can be added in 1680ies (Ochakov is too much under threat from Turks, but Tanais (OTL Taganrog, TTL called by the name of Greek settlement which stood in its place once) is a go).

They would be just 1 year apart, so they are likely to be close in their pasttimes. Brothers that close in age rarely develop rivalry.
Oh very interesting, the desire for more ports would likely drive war against the Ottomans.

And this is true
 
Need to secure Ukraine against Turks (& against Poles as well, since their war effort of early 1670ies is likely to be better than OTL) would be the major driving factor, ports being just additional bonus (specifically with no War of Spanish Succession TTL, when the coalition effort can be better). TTL, even earlier than OTL given possible direction of reforms of Alexis II, land census would discover the relative poverty of gentry of southern regions & thus the need to push for Tatar-controlled regions to give people lands.
 
Need to secure Ukraine against Turks (& against Poles as well, since their war effort of early 1670ies is likely to be better than OTL) would be the major driving factor, ports being just additional bonus (specifically with no War of Spanish Succession TTL, when the coalition effort can be better). TTL, even earlier than OTL given possible direction of reforms of Alexis II, land census would discover the relative poverty of gentry of southern regions & thus the need to push for Tatar-controlled regions to give people lands.
Crimea and caucuses being pushed into then?
 
No, the lands northern that them. With Russian borders being drawn on northern shores of Black Sea, with possible control of Crimea (Caucasus being a remote possibility, but the direction of expansion is likely to remain for a few decades, switching towards Baltics only somewhere in mid-XVIII century if/when Swedish empire begins to collapse under its own weight).
Though if TTL iron production on the Urals starts earlier, we can see young rash idiots in person of Karl XII & Michael II bash heads over Ingria in situation that is less stressful for Russia/less silly (Peter's lack of economic education OTL resulted in declaring war on Sweden when Russia was still dependent on imported iron from Sweden).
 
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No, the lands northern that them. With Russian borders being drawn on northern shores of Black Sea, with possible control of Crimea (Caucasus being a remote possibility, but the direction of expansion is likely to remain for a few decades, switching towards Baltics only somewhere in mid-XVIII century if/when Swedish empire begins to collapse under its own weight).
Alright interesting would there be a version of the great northern war? Or would ottoman wars take precedence
 
Alright interesting would there be a version of the great northern war? Or would ottoman wars take precedence
Ottoman war w/side show of Amur War with China for control for Baikal silver & gold will be a thing until early 1690ies (by then the majority of Holy League members would be able to reach their mid-term goals & Ottoman diplomacy may come into play).
 
Ottoman war w/side show of Amur War with China for control for Baikal silver & gold will be a thing until early 1690ies (by then the majority of Holy League members would be able to reach their mid-term goals & Ottoman diplomacy may come into play).
Alright that sounds good. I think seeing Michael leading some action during the early 1690s would be good
 
If female descendants of Alexis II will marry into European royalty TTL, they may well possible bring another "genetic doom of Royals" with them, that is muscular dystrophy.
Overall I plan for him and Natalya having 6 kids overall (marriage in 1672) in time window 1672-1681, before the disease starts progressing too much for funny happy bedtime (Ivan V's OTL issue being as example), Michael II being a firstborn (and having 2 to 3 surviving siblings, that is 3-4 surviving kids out of 6). Though that means that Michael II will likely ascend not in 1690 but in 1685, the country being de-facto under regency of his paternal uncles (Feodor, Prince of Uglich, Tsarevich Peter (a Princedom is under consideration), Karl of Courland, Prince of Tver) since 1682, and until 1690 when Michael II marries himself (to Charlotte Dorothee Sophie of Hesse-Homburg aka Sophia Feodorovna after Orthodox baptism/naturalization).

What about Prince of Staritsa for Pyotr? The rest seem to be Rurikid titles, so we could just as well throw that one in. Or would it fall under the "cursed name" thing because of how the last holder and his family died? There's also the principalities of Volokolamsk, Dmitrov and Kaluga if I look at Ivan III's family.

I've been reading up on Becker's, and according to wikipedia, "bed rest" or even sitting down for too long can worsen the disease. Would that then include riding a horse? But not only that, considering that after bleeding, the usual prescription of recovery from illness was seldom "remain active". Its not going to go over well with Alexei, Feodor, Ivan or Pyotr if they have it

As to the other royal disease - porphyria. Supposedly Mary, Queen of Scots and James VI both had it, and passed it onto the queen of Bohemia. I'm not sure if Charles I had it or not (I've never read that he did), yet besides George III, the only other sufferer I can think of that descended from Elizabeth was (possibly) the prince de Condé, Louis III - and the Condé line was so plagued by health problems that they'd inherited from various sources that its difficult to say if Louis III had porphyria. Another suspected case is Friedrich Wilhelm I of Prussia, but again, it's up in the air if he did or didn't.

That said, if Sophia's descent was the only place it cropped up amongst Lizzie's dozen kids, it might be that changing her husband could mean that it's wiped out entirely? But then again, considering that hubby is her cousin and might have the recessive gene, it seems rather more likely that there would be a sufferer.
 
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What about Prince of Staritsa for Pyotr? The rest seem to be Rurikid titles, so we could just as well throw that one in. Or would it fall under the "cursed name" thing because of how the last holder and his family died? There's also the principalities of Volokolamsk, Dmitrov and Kaluga if I look at Ivan III's family.

I've been reading up on Becker's, and according to wikipedia, "bed rest" or even sitting down for too long can worsen the disease. Would that then include riding a horse? But not only that, considering that after bleeding, the usual prescription of recovery from illness was seldom "remain active". Its not going to go over well with Alexei, Feodor, Ivan or Pyotr if they have it

As to the other royal disease - porphyria. Supposedly Mary, Queen of Scots and James VI both had it, and passed it onto the queen of Bohemia. I'm not sure if Charles I had it or not (I've never read that he did), yet besides George III, the only other sufferer I can think of that descended from Elizabeth was (possibly) the prince de Condé, Louis III - and the Condé line was so plagued by health problems that they'd inherited from various sources that its difficult to say if Louis III had porphyria. Another suspected case is Friedrich Wilhelm I of Prussia, but again, it's up in the air if he did or didn't.

That said, if Sophia's descent was the only place it cropped up amongst Lizzie's dozen kids, it might be that changing her husband could mean that it's wiped out entirely? But then again, considering that hubby is her cousin and might have the recessive gene, it seems rather more likely that there would be a sufferer.
Seeing how Charles and Sophia handle one if their younger sons being mad would be interesting
 
I've been reading up on Becker's, and according to wikipedia, "bed rest" or even sitting down for too long can worsen the disease. Would that then include riding a horse? But not only that, considering that after bleeding, the usual prescription of recovery from illness was seldom "remain active". Its not going to go over well with Alexei, Feodor, Ivan or Pyotr if they have it
In fact, when they OTL treated Feodor III the "remain active" was encouraged - that's why long riding sessions were encouraged despite sick legs (and that's why my friend came to idea that it was muscular dystrophy). Though the reasoning was different - it was thought that exposure to fresh air during the riding will help the young Tsar to recover. Bleeding was not that big in Russia back then IIRC.

And I think "Staritsa" would be a cursed name. Kaluga it is, likely.
Seeing how Charles and Sophia handle one if their younger sons being mad would be interesting
Madness doesn't necessary goes with porphyria, though it may.
 
That said, if Sophia's descent was the only place it cropped up amongst Lizzie's dozen kids, it might be that changing her husband could mean that it's wiped out entirely? But then again, considering that hubby is her cousin and might have the recessive gene, it seems rather more likely that there would be a sufferer.
Men cannot be passive carriers, and Sophia was the only Elisabeth's daughter to have kids OTL (TTL as well). We can exclude Condes etc unless Edward was suffering from it as well (we don't know what he died from).
 
Men cannot be passive carriers, and Sophia was the only Elisabeth's daughter to have kids OTL (TTL as well). We can exclude Condes etc unless Edward was suffering from it as well (we don't know what he died from).

My mistake, I didn't know that men cannot be carriers. Since Elizabeth's daughters would've carried it, we might have seen a ever-so-slightly unhinged king of Poland (if Elisabeth Jr had accepted Wladyslaw IV's proposal) or Rakoczi prince in Hungary/Transylvania (had Henriette and her husband survived). That would've been frigging awesome. Particularly if he's crazy and brilliant (which most of Elizabeth's kids were)...
 
In fact, when they OTL treated Feodor III the "remain active" was encouraged - that's why long riding sessions were encouraged despite sick legs (and that's why my friend came to idea that it was muscular dystrophy). Though the reasoning was different - it was thought that exposure to fresh air during the riding will help the young Tsar to recover. Bleeding was not that big in Russia back then IIRC.

And I think "Staritsa" would be a cursed name. Kaluga it is, likely.

Madness doesn't necessary goes with porphyria, though it may.
Interesting
 
My mistake, I didn't know that men cannot be carriers
Cannot be passive carriers IIRC. Edward was the only possible one to suffer it (early-dying Gustavus suffered kidney disorder), but a) we don't exactly know what he died from at the age of 30-something, may be a random smallpox or something; b) Condes may or may not suffer from it.
A daughter of a sick man can be carrier, though.
 
Cannot be passive carriers IIRC. Edward was the only possible one to suffer it (early-dying Gustavus suffered kidney disorder), but a) we don't exactly know what he died from at the age of 30-something, may be a random smallpox or something; b) Condes may or may not suffer from it.
A daughter of a sick man can be carrier, though.

So all of George III's daughters were likely to produce insane kids? Will need to take that into account for my TL
 
Not all, 50/50. I need to see exact odds of porphyria transmission. Being recessive, it may skip a generation (as it apparently did, in male descendants of Sophia of Hanover it was rare, but more frequent in Prussian line (two cousin intermarriages with Hanover strenghtened the gene)).
 
Not all, 50/50. I need to see exact odds of porphyria transmission. Being recessive, it may skip a generation (as it apparently did, in male descendants of Sophia of Hanover it was rare, but more frequent in Prussian line (two cousin intermarriages with Hanover strenghtened the gene)).
Interesting does this mean that whilst itnwould skip Charles iii it night hit Charles iv? Or a later descendabt?
 
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