Charles II a surprise marriage

I'd imagine James Stuart, Duke of York, would probably remarry. Even with 1 or 2 living sons, he is still going to be a man with a susceptibility to Catholicism and a penchant for women. I can see him having a domestic match the second time around, if just to offset the three foreign, Catholic matches.

Hmm interesting, if there was a Howard around at the time, perhaps he'd marry her?

Also, do you think Parliament would react favourbly or worriedly toward the three foreign catholic marriages? And I presume all of Charles's children would be raised Protestant, with the Spanish heir, having to convert to Catholicism upon moving to SPain?

Would the succession in Spain be smoothe do you think?
 
Hmm interesting, if there was a Howard around at the time, perhaps he'd marry her?

Also, do you think Parliament would react favourbly or worriedly toward the three foreign catholic marriages? And I presume all of Charles's children would be raised Protestant, with the Spanish heir, having to convert to Catholicism upon moving to SPain?

Would the succession in Spain be smoothe do you think?

I don't think it would be smooth, but it might be a tad smoother than OTL was for Philip V of Spain.
 
Alright, do you think France would ally with England against Austria then?

If they get our second son married to a French Princess, then definitely, particularly if Charles II of England is already married to another French Princess. However, if he marries an Austrian Princess, then that might pacify the Austrians somewhat, depends on who wants it more.
 
Alright quality, this would definitely lead to a fascinating scenario, and story.

I do wonder, how would Charles III handle external affairs considering he's related to three of the most powerful monarchs in Europe at the time of his ascension.
 
7c) Henrietta Stuart (b.1681: d.1739) m. Louis de Bourbon, Duke of Burgundy and Dauphin of France (b.1682: d.1712) (a)

1a) Louis XV of France (b.1700)

2a) Louis Philippe, Duke of Burgundy (b.1702: d.1709)

3a) Louis Charles, Duke of Brittany (b.1705)

4a) Louis Jean, Duke of Aquitaine (b.1709)

5a) Louis Victor de Bourbon (b.1710: d.1710)​

The untimely death of Louis XIV's grandson would probably be butterflied away in this TL, as Louis of Burgundy contracted measles from his OTL wife, Marie-Adelaïde of Savoy. On a purely nitpicking side, the sons of the king, sons of the dauphin and sons of the eldest son of the dauphin had no family name, but when one was used, it was "de France". "De Bourbon" was used only for the Condé and Conti and for the legitimized issue of the Bourbon kings. It was also customary to title a son before giving him a name, as it was done only at christening. So Louis Victor should have a title of his own, like Duke of Normandy.
 
The untimely death of Louis XIV's grandson would probably be butterflied away in this TL, as Louis of Burgundy contracted measles from his OTL wife, Marie-Adelaïde of Savoy. On a purely nitpicking side, the sons of the king, sons of the dauphin and sons of the eldest son of the dauphin had no family name, but when one was used, it was "de France". "De Bourbon" was used only for the Condé and Conti and for the legitimized issue of the Bourbon kings. It was also customary to title a son before giving him a name, as it was done only at christening. So Louis Victor should have a title of his own, like Duke of Normandy.

Alright interesting, if Louis Duke of Burgundy survives, I presume his father would likely still die no? So would this Louis XV, be more inclined toward a less centralised state?
 
Part of me was hoping that Isabel Luisa would have lived longer to be England's queen but I'm guessing that she dies here in childbirth.

Also wouldn't the title Duke of Brittany go to the Dauphin's eldest son?

Given that Catherine of Braganza's death and Charles' remarriage to Margaret Theresa of Spain has utterly changed things. Wouldn't it be more likely for someone like the Duke of Burgundy or his younger brother the Duke of Anjou to be born a girl? If the Grand Dauphin were to have a daughter in place of a son then I can see Charles wanting to marry his younger son to her. Though this means that most, if not all, of his children will be tied to France.
 
Part of me was hoping that Isabel Luisa would have lived longer to be England's queen but I'm guessing that she dies here in childbirth.

Also wouldn't the title Duke of Brittany go to the Dauphin's eldest son?

Given that Catherine of Braganza's death and Charles' remarriage to Margaret Theresa of Spain has utterly changed things. Wouldn't it be more likely for someone like the Duke of Burgundy or his younger brother the Duke of Anjou to be born a girl? If the Grand Dauphin were to have a daughter in place of a son then I can see Charles wanting to marry his younger son to her. Though this means that most, if not all, of his children will be tied to France.

The Dauphine, Maria Anna Viktoria of Bavaria, had something like six or seven pregnancies all told:
A Miscarriage (1681)
Louis, duc de Bourgogne (1682)
Philippe, duc d'Anjou (1683)
2/3 Miscarriages (1685)
Charles, duc de Berri (1686)

So, any of those miscarriages can carry to turn and voila be Louis XIV's only legitimate bouncing baby girl grandchild, or equally, any of the boys could be born as girls
 
Part of me was hoping that Isabel Luisa would have lived longer to be England's queen but I'm guessing that she dies here in childbirth.

Also wouldn't the title Duke of Brittany go to the Dauphin's eldest son?

Given that Catherine of Braganza's death and Charles' remarriage to Margaret Theresa of Spain has utterly changed things. Wouldn't it be more likely for someone like the Duke of Burgundy or his younger brother the Duke of Anjou to be born a girl? If the Grand Dauphin were to have a daughter in place of a son then I can see Charles wanting to marry his younger son to her. Though this means that most, if not all, of his children will be tied to France.

The precedence of the titles in the French royal family is somewhat complicated. The heir apparent and his heir apparent and the latter's heir apparent did not have a separate estate from the crown, so they used titles belonging to the French crown (Dauphin > Burgundy > Brittany). The younger sons had or were expected to have separate estates, so they used titles corresponding to these estates (Orléans, Anjou, Berry for the Bourbons ; Orléans, Angoulême, Anjou and Alençon for the Valois). At the end of the 18th c., Louis XV, afraid of the cursed reputation of the Anjou title, started to use "crown" titles even for the younger sons (Aquitaine for the second son of the Dauphin, Provence for the fourth and Artois for the fifth), but these crown titles were only a front, as the junior princes were given traditional estates (Provence got the duchy of Anjou, Artois got the duchies of Berry and Angoulême). It was also expected the sovereign titles of the princes were not to be inherited by any sons (Artois' sons were Angoulême and Berry, duchies he actually owned).

OTL, Louis XIV had quite a large choice for his grandsons, as the only title already in use was Orléans, so he went for Anjou and Berry. But things could get more complicated ITTL for later generations if Anjou stays in France and if Berry died as he did OTL. Maybe the younger sons of Louis of Burgundy can get Alençon and Angoulême, but for the third son, they would have to go in uncharted territory, either playing it like Louis XV and using "crown titles" or granting titles corresponding to future new estates, such as Touraine or Poitiers.
 
Alright very interesting, how would things change if Louis XIV had a granddaughter? If there is another Catholic marriage for the Stuarts, how would government and Parliament react? And if Charles III ascends the throne as a minor, who serves on a regency for him?
 
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