charles, duke of Cambridge (born 1660) survives

Well, you asked higher up if he could marry Anne of York, so I'm guessing he does. He was OTL convinced (not necessarily wrongly) that his stepmom wanted him out the way. IIRC he even accused her of poisoning his Hessian first wife. Either way, he got out of Berlin as quickly as possible once he was married (both times). The reason why he didn't have more kids with Figuelotte of Hannover was probably because he was in love for her Hessian predecessor, and she (Figuelotte) was not really interested in him (she smiled and did everything in the right way, but I think she knew that she was in a different class to him, intellectually and emotionally). Bear in mind, this is the guy who established a mock Versailles down to having a mistress so he could emulate Louis XIV. However, he never made use of said mistress' services.

As to who would be arranging the Brandenburger girls' marriages, Elisabeth only wed AFTER their dad died (Amalie wed in 1687 already, but it was her half-brother who arranged both girls' remarriages AFAIK.
Oh sorry I think I got Frederick I of prussia and his son Frederick William confused there. My bad.
 
Mary would be engaged to the Dauphin when she was very young around 5 or 6 years old (OTL the Dauphin was engaged to Maria Anna Victoria of Bavaria in 1668 so that is the timeframe for an engagement between him and Mary). If she is destined to be the future queen of France will be either raised as Catholic or still educated in prevision of a future conversion so her OTL religious convictions are a false problem.
And Charles II was in favour of Mary's french match but the parliament was unwilling and persuaded the king to the dutch match but here Mary is the fourth in line and the King and Duke of York are offering in exchange a protestant match for the second in line and so a protestant future Queen (and all the Stuart Queens until that moment plus the likely next one were Catholics)
Fair point, though OTL Charles found it expedient to insist that the York children were raised as Anglicans.
Personally, I have my doubts as to how long the Duke of York would survive in this scenario as Charles II neared the end of his life. Famously "no-one was going to kill Charles to make James King" but quite a lot of someones between fanatical Protestants, moderate Protestants who didn't want social unrest and Macchiavellian statesmen (James was less than politically adroit but a determined absolutist) who might very well have an interest in killing James to make Charles King. Nothing obvious of course, the new young Duke of York would have to show filial piety and would hardly connive at or be likely to reward patricide. But James could quite easily have a hunting accident or a sudden illness or some group of fanatical would-be assassins "chance" on information on where the Duke of York met with his mistress largely unescorted. There is of course no suggestion that any of the King's Ministers or the high nobility were in any way involved in this unfortunate tragedy. None whatsoever!
 
This is true, I do think the marriage would be very interesting. Just to clarify, was she the sister of Frederick I of Prussia or his son Frederick William I?
Frederick I of Prussia's sister or I would have called her as Amalie of Prussia instead of Amalie of Brandeburg (she was born in 1664 and was the only daughter of Frederick William, Elector of Brandeburg "the Great Elector" and his first wife Louise Henriette of Orange, eldest aunt of William of Orange)
 
Frederick I of Prussia's sister or I would have called her as Amalie of Prussia instead of Amalie of Brandeburg (she was born in 1664 and was the only daughter of Frederick William, Elector of Brandeburg "the Great Elector" and his first wife Louise Henriette of Orange, eldest aunt of William of Orange)

Ah, okay I get you. Yeah seeing her married to James, Duke of Kendal would be good.

Fair point, though OTL Charles found it expedient to insist that the York children were raised as Anglicans.
Personally, I have my doubts as to how long the Duke of York would survive in this scenario as Charles II neared the end of his life. Famously "no-one was going to kill Charles to make James King" but quite a lot of someones between fanatical Protestants, moderate Protestants who didn't want social unrest and Macchiavellian statesmen (James was less than politically adroit but a determined absolutist) who might very well have an interest in killing James to make Charles King. Nothing obvious of course, the new young Duke of York would have to show filial piety and would hardly connive at or be likely to reward patricide. But James could quite easily have a hunting accident or a sudden illness or some group of fanatical would-be assassins "chance" on information on where the Duke of York met with his mistress largely unescorted. There is of course no suggestion that any of the King's Ministers or the high nobility were in any way involved in this unfortunate tragedy. None whatsoever!

And this is very true, though if he bags the French marriage I can see there being some sort of acceptance that Mary would have to be raised Catholic for a time, before being married. And of course, with three sons, there might not be a exclusion crisis or a popish plot, but there'd definitely be those plotting to have James suffer some sort of accident.
 
Fair point, though OTL Charles found it expedient to insist that the York children were raised as Anglicans.
Personally, I have my doubts as to how long the Duke of York would survive in this scenario as Charles II neared the end of his life. Famously "no-one was going to kill Charles to make James King" but quite a lot of someones between fanatical Protestants, moderate Protestants who didn't want social unrest and Macchiavellian statesmen (James was less than politically adroit but a determined absolutist) who might very well have an interest in killing James to make Charles King. Nothing obvious of course, the new young Duke of York would have to show filial piety and would hardly connive at or be likely to reward patricide. But James could quite easily have a hunting accident or a sudden illness or some group of fanatical would-be assassins "chance" on information on where the Duke of York met with his mistress largely unescorted. There is of course no suggestion that any of the King's Ministers or the high nobility were in any way involved in this unfortunate tragedy. None whatsoever!
Mary as future Dauphine would be likely raised as very High Church Anglican with the full knowledge who she would have to convert to Catholicism before marrying if not already as Catholic but her sibling would be raised as Anglican
James of York dying before Charles II is something who can easily happen, right...
 
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Mary as future Dauphine would be likely raised as very High Church Anglican with the full knowledge who she would have to convert to Catholicism before marrying if not already as Catholic but her sibling would be raised as Anglican
James of York dying before Charles II is something who can easily happen, right...

Aye, there are two wars against the Dutch in which he could go, or a possible riding accident.
 
I fear we will need another match for Anne...
Saxony can offer either of this boys who are both younger than her and I think highly unsuitable...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_George_IV,_Elector_of_Saxony
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_II_of_Poland (his biggest cons are age and his being the younger son)

So husbands for Anne in mixed order:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_I_of_Prussia as his second wife
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_George_of_Denmark as OTL because his brother is already married and his nephew (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_IV_of_Denmark) is born in 1671
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_XI_of_Sweden if his OTL's wife https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulrika_Eleonora_of_Denmark is married to someone else (maybe she can be the second wife of either Frederick I of Prussia or Philippe of Orleans as their OTL's choices are married elsewhere)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_II_of_Portugal as his second wife (or his ATL's son if in 1669 Isabella Luisa is born a boy or has a twin)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_II_Emanuel,_Elector_of_Bavaria (instead of Maria Antonia of Austria, if she marry someone else)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_William,_Elector_Palatine (if his first wife die earlier than OTL maybe as consequence of the stillbirth/miscarriage of 1683)
an ATL son of her father cousin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Rupert_of_the_Rhine
an ATL son of William of Orange and Elizabeth Charlotte of Palatinate (if she is born in 1667 and he in 1672/3 is strechted but possible)
a surviving Archduke Ferdinand Wenzel of Austria (b.1667) or Archduke Johann Leopold (b. 1670) sons of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_I,_Holy_Roman_Emperor by Margarita Teresa of Spain

Really exchanging the order of birth for Edgar and Anne would make easier find the right match for her (Frederick Augustus of Saxony, George and Fredrick of Denmark, Frederick Wilhelm of Brandeburg, Charles of Sweden and a son of Rupert of Palatinate or William of Orange are Protestants, while Ferdinand and Johann of Austria, Peter of Portugal and his son, Maximilian of Bavaria and John William of Palatinate-Neuburg are all Catholics)
 
I fear we will need another match for Anne...
Saxony can offer either of this boys who are both younger than her and I think highly unsuitable...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_George_IV,_Elector_of_Saxony
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_II_of_Poland (his biggest cons are age and his being the younger son)

So husbands for Anne in mixed order:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_I_of_Prussia as his second wife
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_George_of_Denmark as OTL because his brother is already married and his nephew (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_IV_of_Denmark) is born in 1671
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_XI_of_Sweden if his OTL's wife https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulrika_Eleonora_of_Denmark is married to someone else (maybe she can be the second wife of either Frederick I of Prussia or Philippe of Orleans as their OTL's choices are married elsewhere)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_II_of_Portugal as his second wife (or his ATL's son if in 1669 Isabella Luisa is born a boy or has a twin)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_II_Emanuel,_Elector_of_Bavaria (instead of Maria Antonia of Austria, if she marry someone else)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_William,_Elector_Palatine (if his first wife die earlier than OTL maybe as consequence of the stillbirth/miscarriage of 1683)
an ATL son of her father cousin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Rupert_of_the_Rhine
an ATL son of William of Orange and Elizabeth Charlotte of Palatinate (if she is born in 1667 and he in 1672/3 is strechted but possible)

Really exchanging the order of birth for Edgar and Anne would make easier find the right match for her (Frederick Augustus of Saxony, George and Fredrick of Denmark, Frederick Wilhelm of Brandeburg, Charles of Sweden and a son of Rupert of Palatinate or William of Orange are Protestants, while Peter of Portugal and his son, Maximilian of Bavaria and John William of Palatinate-Neuburg are all Catholics)
Anne as the second wife of peter of Portugal would be fascinating, maybe she’d have more success with kids.
 
Anne as the second wife of peter of Portugal would be fascinating, maybe she’d have more success with kids.
OTL he had not much trouble with his second wife (and I added to my list in the previous post the austrian archdukes)
 
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Agreed, would that be a better marriage, or would you sgueest switching Edgar and Anne’s birth dates
If she marry Pedro of Portugal, Maximilian of Bavaria, Frederick of Brandeburg, Charles of Sweden or George of Denmark her OTL birthdate is fine...
for an ATL prince of Portugal, ATL son of William and Liselotte, ATL son of Rupert, John William of Neuburg, Frederick of Denmark, Frederick Augustus of Saxony, Ferdinand Wenzel of Austria and John Leopold of Austria the switch is much better (and necessary for the dutch match)
 
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If she marry Pedro of Portugal, Maximilian of Bavaria, Frederick of Brandeburg, Charles of Sweden or George of Denmark her OTL birthdate is fine...
for an ATL prince of Portugal, ATL son of William and Liselotte, ATL son of Rupert, John William of Neuburg, Frederick of Denmark and Frederick Augustus of Saxony the switch is much better (and necessary for the dutch match)

Hmm, this is very true. I think going with Pedro of Portugal would be good as it renews the oldest continuance alliance in existence, and it gives Anne a powerful Kingdom to be Queen over
 
Hmm, this is very true. I think going with Pedro of Portugal would be good as it renews the oldest continuance alliance in existence, and it gives Anne a powerful Kingdom to be Queen over
So James will be avery happy man with two Catholics sons-in-law (but three protestant daughters-in-law).

The switch of birthdate in the options of the second list is needed because Anne would still be older than the proposed husbands excluding Neuburg (who need to lose his first wife for being available again) and maybe the son of Rupert
 
So James will be avery happy man with two Catholics sons-in-law (but three protestant daughters-in-law).

The switch of birthdate in the options of the second list is needed because Anne would still be older than the proposed husbands excluding Neuburg (who need to lose his first wife for being available again) and maybe the son of Rupert

Agreed. Hmm, with three Protestant daughters in law including one who hails from England herself in Elizabeth Percy, I do wonder whether James and Anne Hye would be happy or worried. Given they're both Ctholics themselves.
 
I wonder though. Part of the reason the elector of Saxony only married in 1666 was because Anna Sofia of Denmark was under consideration for either duchess of Gloucester or Empress. So with a POD in 1660 she might marry the elector sooner. Which means that she could have kids earlier.

That said, the age gap between Johann Georg IV and Anne is big, but 4 years isn't a huge obstacle (Johann Georg's OTL wife was 2 years older than Anne - plus she HAD kids; and Frederik IV of Denmark was 4 years younger than his wife too). I'd say Anne marrying Friedrich August would be a stretch - almost ASB. Johann Georg? Not so much. His father wanted to break Johann Georg's attachment to Mme von Rochlitz, so an older girl would mean Junior can get married sooner rather than still have to wait for a bride to mature. (This was his mother's reasoning why she pushed for the Dowager Margravine of Ansbach OTL).
 
So, here is what I've got:

James II and VII (b.1633) m Anne Hyde (b.1638)

Issue:

Charles III (b.1660) m Sophia Charlotte of Hanover (b.1661/1668)

Mary, Queen of France (b. 1662) m Louis XV of France (b.1661)

James, Duke of Kendal (b.1663) m Amalie of Prussia (b.1664)


Anne, Queen of Portugal (b.1664) m Pedro II of Portugal (b.1648)

Edgar, Duke of Richmond and Lennox-later Duke of Northumberland- m Elizabeth Perchy, Duchess of Northumberland (b.1667)
 
I wonder though. Part of the reason the elector of Saxony only married in 1666 was because Anna Sofia of Denmark was under consideration for either duchess of Gloucester or Empress. So with a POD in 1660 she might marry the elector sooner. Which means that she could have kids earlier.

That said, the age gap between Johann Georg IV and Anne is big, but 4 years isn't a huge obstacle (Johann Georg's OTL wife was 2 years older than Anne - plus she HAD kids; and Frederik IV of Denmark was 4 years younger than his wife too). I'd say Anne marrying Friedrich August would be a stretch - almost ASB. Johann Georg? Not so much. His father wanted to break Johann Georg's attachment to Mme von Rochlitz, so an older girl would mean Junior can get married sooner rather than still have to wait for a bride to mature. (This was his mother's reasoning why she pushed for the Dowager Margravine of Ansbach OTL).

Would that be preferred for Charles II, than a marriage with Portugal?
 
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