charles, duke of Cambridge (born 1660) survives

So, here’s what I’ve decided, James and Anne will become king and queen in 1685,following Charles II death. Mary will marry William of Orange, Charles duke of Cambridge will marry Sophainchslotte of Hanover.

Suggestions for the other kids would be most welcome
I think who a french match for one of the children of James is inevitable and so I do not think likely a match between Mary and William of Orange:
Charles will likely marry Sophia Charlotte of Hannover but James will push for a match between Mary and the Grand Dauphin (aka Louis XIV's son) like OTL: Charles II refuted that match and married her to William of Orange because she was the heiress presuntive but here Mary has three brothers. I think who Charles can tell to James who Mary's french match will be fine only if balanced by a protestant match for little Charles.
William of Orange can marry either Elisabeth Charlotte of Palatinate (who OTL was interested in marrying him) or another princess or wait another couple of years for Anne
 
I think who a french match for one of the children of James is inevitable and so I do not think likely a match between Mary and William of Orange:
Charles will likely marry Sophia Charlotte of Hannover but James will push for a match between Mary and the Grand Dauphin (aka Louis XIV's son) like OTL: Charles II refuted that match and married her to William of Orange because she was the heiress presuntive but here Mary has three brothers. I think who Charles can tell to James who Mary's french match will be fine only if balanced by a protestant match for little Charles.
William of Orange can marry either Elisabeth Charlotte of Palatinate (who OTL was interested in marrying him) or another princess or wait another couple of years for Anne

Hmm interesting, this is true, seeing the Dauphin marry Mary would be good, and perhaps with better doctor facilities on hand, she can have kids. William marrying Elizabeth Charlotte of the Palatinate would be fascinating as well, a marriage in the 1670s, would ensure they have kids by the 1680s, and could well butterfly the main cause of the Nine Years War.
 
I understand that, like her sister Anne, Mary did not share her father's religious views and wouldn't have been willing to convert to Catholicism. If that is correct, a marriage to the Dauphin wouldn't have been a possible.
 
I understand that, like her sister Anne, Mary did not share her father's religious views and wouldn't have been willing to convert to Catholicism. If that is correct, a marriage to the Dauphin wouldn't have been a possible.

Oh that's interesting, so you think she'd have had to either married William, either due to the end of an Anglo-Dutch war, or would have married another Protestant Prince? Could her father and uncle not force her to convert?
 
Could her father and uncle not force her to convert?
Possibly, but not easily. By 1660 England is largely Protestant and not what you might call Francophile. Public opinion would have been firmly on her side and Parliament and the Churches of England and Scotland would have had a word or two to say about the situation. Charles was reasonably careful to avoid confrontation or polarisation OTL so I doubt if he would nail his colours firmly to the mast TTL Might suggest but unlikely to coerce. The Duke of York another matter but he would have no public support and would face the opposition of his son and other daughter to boot.
 
Possibly, but not easily. By 1660 England is largely Protestant and not what you might call Francophile. Public opinion would have been firmly on her side and Parliament and the Churches of England and Scotland would have had a word or two to say about the situation. Charles was reasonably careful to avoid confrontation or polarisation OTL so I doubt if he would nail his colours firmly to the mast TTL Might suggest but unlikely to coerce. The Duke of York another matter but he would have no public support and would face the opposition of his son and other daughter to boot.

Hmm interesting, so, in that instance, who do you think she should marry? William? Or another Protestant Prince? I'm quite partial to William marrying Elizabeth of the Palatine, myself. Perhaps Mary could marry George of Hanover?
 
No daughter of Anne Hyde is wedding Georg of Hannover. Georg felt that the match was "beneath him" IIRC. He made several remarks about the irregularity of the marriage of James, duke of York and Anne Hyde for which Queen Anne never forgave him. I struggle to see why he would take Mary (who would have still less to offer than OTL) here.

As to Mary/Anne wedding abroad or wedding a Catholic, the CoE/CoS might consent to it. This isn't OTL where Mary is first in line after her dad and no self-respectinf Englishman wants Johnny Frenchman (be it dauphin or Valois) to rule him. Mary has three brothers (and their issue) ahead of her in the succession. Sure, there might be some public grumbling but Charles' own sister married a Frenchman and IIRC no one much minded.

As to her converting, she will have to. But it wouldn't be too difficult (especially if she's been slated to be Mme la Dauphine from a young age (Marianne Victoire of Bavaria was between 5-7yo when her engagement was decided)) to give her Catholic (or at the very least, very High Church Anglican) tutors.
 
No daughter of Anne Hyde is wedding Georg of Hannover. Georg felt that the match was "beneath him" IIRC. He made several remarks about the irregularity of the marriage of James, duke of York and Anne Hyde for which Queen Anne never forgave him. I struggle to see why he would take Mary (who would have still less to offer than OTL) here.

As to Mary/Anne wedding abroad or wedding a Catholic, the CoE/CoS might consent to it. This isn't OTL where Mary is first in line after her dad and no self-respectinf Englishman wants Johnny Frenchman (be it dauphin or Valois) to rule him. Mary has three brothers (and their issue) ahead of her in the succession. Sure, there might be some public grumbling but Charles' own sister married a Frenchman and IIRC no one much minded.

As to her converting, she will have to. But it wouldn't be too difficult (especially if she's been slated to be Mme la Dauphine from a young age (Marianne Victoire of Bavaria was between 5-7yo when her engagement was decided)) to give her Catholic (or at the very least, very High Church Anglican) tutors.
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This is true, so no sister is marrying Hanover. Would it make more sense for Mary to marry the Dauphin, than for Charles of Cambridge to marry Marie Louise of Orleans? And would the whole issue of irregularity effect a marriage between Charles and Sophia Charlotte?
 
I understand that, like her sister Anne, Mary did not share her father's religious views and wouldn't have been willing to convert to Catholicism. If that is correct, a marriage to the Dauphin wouldn't have been a possible.
Oh that's interesting, so you think she'd have had to either married William, either due to the end of an Anglo-Dutch war, or would have married another Protestant Prince? Could her father and uncle not force her to convert?

Possibly, but not easily. By 1660 England is largely Protestant and not what you might call Francophile. Public opinion would have been firmly on her side and Parliament and the Churches of England and Scotland would have had a word or two to say about the situation. Charles was reasonably careful to avoid confrontation or polarisation OTL so I doubt if he would nail his colours firmly to the mast TTL Might suggest but unlikely to coerce. The Duke of York another matter but he would have no public support and would face the opposition of his son and other daughter to boot.

Mary would be engaged to the Dauphin when she was very young around 5 or 6 years old (OTL the Dauphin was engaged to Maria Anna Victoria of Bavaria in 1668 so that is the timeframe for an engagement between him and Mary). If she is destined to be the future queen of France will be either raised as Catholic or still educated in prevision of a future conversion so her OTL religious convictions are a false problem.
And Charles II was in favour of Mary's french match but the parliament was unwilling and persuaded the king to the dutch match but here Mary is the fourth in line and the King and Duke of York are offering in exchange a protestant match for the second in line and so a protestant future Queen (and all the Stuart Queens until that moment plus the likely next one were Catholics)
 
Mary would be engaged to the Dauphin when she was very young around 5 or 6 years old (OTL the Dauphin was engaged to Maria Anna Victoria of Bavaria in 1668 so that is the timeframe for an engagement between him and Mary). If she is destined to be the future queen of France will be either raised as Catholic or still educated in prevision of a future conversion so her OTL religious convictions are a false problem.
And Charles II was in favour of Mary's french match but the parliament was unwilling and persuaded the king to the dutch match but here Mary is the fourth in line and the King and Duke of York are offering in exchange a protestant match for the second in line and so a protestant future Queen (and all the Stuart Queens until that moment plus the likely next one were Catholics)

This is true, so you don't think the issues that Georg of Hanover had re Mary would be an issue for Sophia Charlotte and Charles of Cambridge?
 
No daughter of Anne Hyde is wedding Georg of Hannover. Georg felt that the match was "beneath him" IIRC. He made several remarks about the irregularity of the marriage of James, duke of York and Anne Hyde for which Queen Anne never forgave him. I struggle to see why he would take Mary (who would have still less to offer than OTL) here.

As to Mary/Anne wedding abroad or wedding a Catholic, the CoE/CoS might consent to it. This isn't OTL where Mary is first in line after her dad and no self-respectinf Englishman wants Johnny Frenchman (be it dauphin or Valois) to rule him. Mary has three brothers (and their issue) ahead of her in the succession. Sure, there might be some public grumbling but Charles' own sister married a Frenchman and IIRC no one much minded.

As to her converting, she will have to. But it wouldn't be too difficult (especially if she's been slated to be Mme la Dauphine from a young age (Marianne Victoire of Bavaria was between 5-7yo when her engagement was decided)) to give her Catholic (or at the very least, very High Church Anglican) tutors.

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This is true, so no sister is marrying Hanover. Would it make more sense for Mary to marry the Dauphin, than for Charles of Cambridge to marry Marie Louise of Orleans? And would the whole issue of irregularity effect a marriage between Charles and Sophia Charlotte?

This is true, so you don't think the issues that Georg of Hanover had re Mary would be an issue for Sophia Charlotte and Charles of Cambridge?

Maria Anna was eight at the time of her engagement... George can think what he wish but I think his father/sister (but he also when he is not the bridegroom) is smart enough to understand who the almost assured Crown of England for Sophie is a good reason for overlooking the Anne Hyde's situation.

Marie Louise of Orleans is Charles of Cambridge first and second cousin plus another in a long line of Catholics Queens while Mary and the Dauphin are only second cousins. Plus the parliament would like better the foreign (and french) Catholic match for the princess and the protestant bride for the future King
 
Maria Anna was eight at the time of her engagement... George can think what he wish but I think his father/sister (but he also when he is not the bridegroom) is smart enough to understand who the almost assured Crown of England for Sophie is a good reason for overlooking the Anne Hyde's situation.

Marie Louise of Orleans is Charles of Cambridge first and second cousin plus another in a long line of Catholics Queens while Mary and the Dauphin are only second cousins. Plus the parliament would like better the foreign (and french) Catholic match for the princess and the protestant bride for the future King

True enough, so Mary to the Dauphin and perhaps three or four children for them. Charles and Sophia Charlotte of Hanover and perhaps four or so kids for them. Which makes me wonder who does Frederick I of Prussia marry as his second wife if he has no son by his first one.
 
For Frederick I of Prussia maybe Anne of England, Sophia Dorothea of Celle, a relative of William of Orange, an ATL daughter of Rupert of Rhine or another protestant princess
 
For Frederick I of Prussia maybe Anne of England, Sophia Dorothea of Celle, a relative of William of Orange, an ATL daughter of Rupert of Rhine or another protestant princess
Hmm, Anne of England could be good. Could we see a second son of James and Anne marrying a catholic the ?
 
True enough, so Mary to the Dauphin and perhaps three or four children for them. Charles and Sophia Charlotte of Hanover and perhaps four or so kids for them. Which makes me wonder who does Frederick I of Prussia marry as his second wife if he has no son by his first one.

Perhaps the eldest daughter (Marie) of the duke of Mecklenburg-Güstrow? She married in 1684, or her next sister, Magdalene (b.1660) who never married. Elisabeth Albertine of Anhalt-Dessau might do as well.

Eleonore Maria Josefa of Austria might do as well. Friedrich Wilhelm's older brother, Karl Emil, was engaged to her younger sister, Maria Anna Josefa.
But that's just off the top of my head.
 
For Frederick I of Prussia maybe Anne of England, Sophia Dorothea of Celle, a relative of William of Orange, an ATL daughter of Rupert of Rhine or another protestant princess

Sophie Dorothea of Celle isn't going to anyone but Georg I. She was supposed to marry the duke of Brunswick but on the day of the engagement her father cancelled it so she could narry Georg I. Sophie fainted. There were offers from Maximilian II of Bavaria, Sweden, Denmark and somewhere else to wed her, too, but because of what she stood to inherit, no way are the Welfs (i.e. Georg's parents) letting her marry outside their charméd circle
 
Perhaps the eldest daughter (Marie) of the duke of Mecklenburg-Güstrow? She married in 1684, or her next sister, Magdalene (b.1660) who never married. Elisabeth Albertine of Anhalt-Dessau might do as well.

Eleonore Maria Josefa of Austria might do as well. Friedrich Wilhelm's older brother, Karl Emil, was engaged to her younger sister, Maria Anna Josefa.
But that's just off the top of my head.
Hmm interesting you don’t think an English marriage is possible for Frederick?
 
Hmm interesting you don’t think an English marriage is possible for Frederick?

It might. The question of course would be why? If Anne can become electress of Saxony or electress of Brandenburg, I'd say Saxony is more likely. Saxony is richer and more important than Brandenburg IIRC.

Brandenburg could go through as a pro-French match. Louis XIV/Charles II are perhaps aware that another French-English match won't be popular, so Louis offers a proxy prince (Brandenburg). The erbprinz of Saxony will probably be the imperial proxy in said scenario.

James II was dreaming big, however, since he wanted Mary to get the dauphin and Anne to get D. Carlos II of Spain
 
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