charles, duke of Cambridge (born 1660) survives

Given that James stole Anne Hyde from Henry Jermyn, it would be a little amusing should James then end up marrying Judith Poley whom Jermyn ended up marrying IOTL.

IOTL, Jermyn and Judith failed to have any children so Jermyn failing to marry or dying earlier and a widowed Judith marrying James wouldn't interfere with the timeline significantly outside of the monarchy.

Plus, Jermyn was Catholic so it's possible that Judith was (I can't find a reference) so she's going to tick that box on James' checklist.

Oh that's quite interesting, though would Charles II allow another domestic marriage for his brother, when otl he didn't
 
I was thinking either Elizabeth of the Palatinate for James' second wife, or perhaps Claudia Felicitas of Austria, or Anna Katherine of Wurttemburg
 
So, the two main candidates are Sophia Charlotte and Marie Luise of Orleans for the hand of Charles, Duke of Cambridge. With the latter marriage happening in 1680, and the former happening around 1684. James II and VII would ascend relatively peacefully in 1685, with no Monmouth rebellion meaning no blood assizes, however his fanatical Catholicism would go onto create tension throughout the realm, despite his son, the now Prince of Wales urging for caution, the father continues, leading to a situation where both moderate Tories, and whigs are sticking to the Prince of Wales, in opposition to his father.
 
I do have to admit either seeing Anne Hyde remain alive. Or Elizabeth Charlotte as James second wife would be fascinating
 
So, I've done some thinking. Here's what I'm thinking.

James II and VII (b.1633) m Anne Hyde (b.1637)

Issue:

Charles III of England, Scotland and Ireland (b.1660)

Mary, Princess of Orange (b. 1662)

James, Duke of Kendal (b.1663)

Anne (b.1664)

Edgar, Duke of Richmond and Lennox (b.1667)
 
Anne'll live for a little while longer, in order to see her children grow up, though both she and James will be practicing Catholics, their children will be raised as Anglicans.

Marriage suggestions for Charles, James, Anne and Edgar are most welcome :)
 
I think his best bet would be a Protestant bride, a la one of Sophia of Hanover's descendants
I was just thinking this old be a good idea. It would endear him to his mostly Protestant subjects, and bring England into European politics. As Hanover is an electorate as part of the Holy Roman Empire, it would spread his relations with the Habsburgs, and perhaps give him alternatives whenever his relationship with his other cousin, Louis XIV goes sour.
 
I was just thinking this old be a good idea. It would endear him to his mostly Protestant subjects, and bring England into European politics. As Hanover is an electorate as part of the Holy Roman Empire, it would spread his relations with the Habsburgs, and perhaps give him alternatives whenever his relationship with his other cousin, Louis XIV goes sour.

This is true, so Charles to Sophia of Hanover? If one of her brothers isn’t born a girl due to the butterflies
 
Given the POD, I think this would be an interesting birth order for Sophia of Hanover and her husband's children:

George, Elector of Hanover (b.1660)

Sophia Charlotte of Hanover (b.1661)

Maximillian William of Hanover (b.1666)

Elizabeth Sophia of Hanover (b.1668)

Charles Philip (b.1669)

Christian (b.1671)

Ernest (b.1674)

That way in 1680, when Charlie is 20 and Sophia is 19 they could marry and start popping out kids. Unless you think one should keep the normal birth order, and have them marry in 1684
 
I think seeing Charles with an older Sophia of Hanover would be good and consolidate things alongside Mary’s marriage to William of Orange, reassuring g the populace that the future king and queen are Protestant
 
A Portuguese infanta (only one available is La Sempre Noiva) is going to be problematic. Under Portuguese law, asheiress to the kingdom, Charles would have to move to Portugal.

The Württemberg lady considered for James was Maria Anna Ignatia of Württemberg-Neuenberg. AIUI the girl was living in France at the time of the negotiations for James' second marriage. Then after THAT marriage proposal fell through she was SUPPOSED to marry the duke of Württemberg-Winnental.

Liselotte writes:
Her [Marianne]'s mother [a princess of Arenberg] said once at court "my daughter has not come with me today because she is gone to confess; but, poor child, what can she have to say to her confessor, except that she has dropped some stitches in her needlework." Mme de Fiennes, who was present, whispered "The placid old fool! As if a stout and healthy girl of nineteen had no other sins to confess than having dropped some stitches!"
(Makes me wonder how Marianne might do in London, maybe an earlier Diana Spencer? Everyone questions her kids' paternity?)

And lastly, what would be the effects of an alt Glorious Revolution or indeed, any actio against James where Charles, rather than siding WITH the revolutionaries, sides with James. Simply because he realizes that if he agrees to them deposing his dad, he sets a precedent for authorizing them to depose him should he not ask "how high" if parliament says "jump!"
 
Perhaps this could lead to an interesting twist - the King ruling by right of Parliament, rather than Parliament governing by right of the crown?

A move to an elected monarchy much like the Holy Roman Empire, but where hereditary succession is still the tradition but should another contender step forward Parliament would have to decide.

But election only when a monarch retires or dies?
 
A Portuguese infanta (only one available is La Sempre Noiva) is going to be problematic. Under Portuguese law, asheiress to the kingdom, Charles would have to move to Portugal.

The Württemberg lady considered for James was Maria Anna Ignatia of Württemberg-Neuenberg. AIUI the girl was living in France at the time of the negotiations for James' second marriage. Then after THAT marriage proposal fell through she was SUPPOSED to marry the duke of Württemberg-Winnental.

Liselotte writes:

(Makes me wonder how Marianne might do in London, maybe an earlier Diana Spencer? Everyone questions her kids' paternity?)

And lastly, what would be the effects of an alt Glorious Revolution or indeed, any actio against James where Charles, rather than siding WITH the revolutionaries, sides with James. Simply because he realizes that if he agrees to them deposing his dad, he sets a precedent for authorizing them to depose him should he not ask "how high" if parliament says "jump!"
Agreed, Charles siding with dad and winning would be a nice little precedent, and stick it to parliament. I do think seeing Anne Hyde alive and as queen would also be very good
 
Perhaps this could lead to an interesting twist - the King ruling by right of Parliament, rather than Parliament governing by right of the crown?

A move to an elected monarchy much like the Holy Roman Empire, but where hereditary succession is still the tradition but should another contender step forward Parliament would have to decide.

But election only when a monarch retires or dies?
That sounds horrible aha
 
So, here’s what I’ve decided, James and Anne will become king and queen in 1685,following Charles II death. Mary will marry William of Orange, Charles duke of Cambridge will marry Sophainchslotte of Hanover.

Suggestions for the other kids would be most welcome
 
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