charles, duke of Cambridge (born 1660) survives

What would happen to Monmouth in this scenario?

Presumably with a male protestant heir he wouldn't get quite the same traction.

So does he stand with his cousin or does he try and act as a magnet for people who don't want any form of catholicism near the throne etc.
I think Monmouth might either stand by his cousin, or try something stupid and get bumped off
 
I think Monmouth might either stand by his cousin, or try something stupid and get bumped off

@Jammy What would you prefer for the Duke of Monmouth, to remain Commander in Chief of the Forces and loyal to his uncle and cousin, or to be hampered by ambition and lose his head?
 
Would he have felt the need to act as a figurehead for a rebellion if he knew there was a Protestant heir?

I could see him siding with his cousin in a Glorious Revolution in which Parliament demands Daddy abdicate in favour of Charlie.
 
Would he have felt the need to act as a figurehead for a rebellion if he knew there was a Protestant heir?

I could see him siding with his cousin in a Glorious Revolution in which Parliament demands Daddy abdicate in favour of Charlie.

Hmm I agree, I can Monmouth siding with Charlie in any move to remove James. Hell it doesn't have to be Parliament asking James to abdicate, it could simply be Charles with a quiet word
 
Are there any territories that Charlie could give his father as his own private fiefdom should he push for abdication?
 
Here, Dad, have the Shetland Islands.

The Earldom of Orkney was vacant in 1690 so possible to pop Dad in there?

Very possible, and would also enable Charles to keep a much closer look on daddy dearest. Unless someone poisons James before the need for abdication becomnes necessary
 
Very possible, and would also enable Charles to keep a much closer look on daddy dearest. Unless someone poisons James before the need for abdication becomnes necessary

Poison him after he abdicate, surely? Move the blame away from himself - Why would he need to KO his father when Daddy is already safely setting up home with Stepmother Mary in Scalloway Castle when he eats some dodgy shellfish and dies. Ooops. But Charlie isn't able to be blamed.
 
Poison him after he abdicate, surely? Move the blame away from himself - Why would he need to KO his father when Daddy is already safely setting up home with Stepmother Mary in Scalloway Castle when he eats some dodgy shellfish and dies. Ooops. But Charlie isn't able to be blamed.

Well, an abdication hurts the prestige of the monarchy, removing James before he gets the chance to be pushed out, removes a big potential mess, and Charles doesn't need to be tied to it, someone else could do the deed.

Also, if CHarles is alive, alongside another brother, I don't think James would marry Mary. She wanted to be a nun otl, and only married James to bring about a Catholic dynasty.
 
@Jammy What would you prefer for the Duke of Monmouth, to remain Commander in Chief of the Forces and loyal to his uncle and cousin, or to be hampered by ambition and lose his head?

With a protestant heir i think he'd be loyal, with an obvious protestant heir as well his faults that were maybe overlooked might get closer inspection to so we could see his character changed a little bit to.
 
With a protestant heir i think he'd be loyal, with an obvious protestant heir as well his faults that were maybe overlooked might get closer inspection to so we could see his character changed a little bit to.

Oh interesting, so perhaps he's not idolised by the whigs, but instead used as a meeting point between them and Charlie
 
Several siblings that survived until adulthood would suggest fertility if nothing else and her mother being the closest protestant outside of the immediate royal family in the line of succession would probably count in their favour.
 
Several siblings that survived until adulthood would suggest fertility if nothing else and her mother being the closest protestant outside of the immediate royal family in the line of succession would probably count in their favour.

This is very true, though would she come with a dowry to rival Marie Louise, who also comes from a somewhat fertile family, her mother did have something like six kids, though admittedly only three survived past birth
 
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