charles, duke of Cambridge (born 1660) survives

Hmm that’s interesting. What did Louis care about Hesse though.
I think he simply would’ve put her forward as his approved candidate, instead of one of his nieces, if they both acknowledged the need for a Protestant wife for Charlie
 
Having a look at Elisabeth Henriette of Hesse Kassel, otl she had only one child before dying from small pox, but her father and mother had five surviving children. I imagine that if she doesn't catch smallpox, she and Charles of Cambridge could have a similar amount of children.

@JonasResende @Nmale @isabella What do you guys think, Elisabeth or Sophia Charlotte?

Elisabeth is older than Sophie plus Charles II will be interested in a French sponsored Protestant match (who will not really balance the match of Mary and the Dauphin but Parliament can buy that plus a well connected but minor german princess can be engaged also to the future Duke of York who has some chances to become King of England while the very ambitious Hannovers will likely need to be more sure about Charlie’s succession plus the fact who Anne Hyde will likely be looked down in that family as OTL...
Thinking well Sophie Charlotte can marry Fredrick of Brandenburg as his first wife (being the choice number two once he lost the Archduchess as OTL) and Elisabeth will be Queen of England
 
Hmm that’s interesting. What did Louis care about Hesse though.
I think he simply would’ve put her forward as his approved candidate, instead of one of his nieces, if they both acknowledged the need for a Protestant wife for Charlie

That, plus the only girls France can offer are Henriette’s daughter and a wedding between so close relative would be locked down, plus Charlie’s succession is not sure and the mother of the proposed bride is a princess of Brandenburg (who can be also a French proxy) so Charlie and Jamie will marry two first cousins
 
I can see Louis pushing Hesse classes whilst leopold pushes for Sophia

I'm not so sure about Louis pushing Hesse. Sure, it's Kassel and more likely to be in the pro-French camp than their Darmstadt cousins. But also Friedrich Wilhelm and his cousin were very much in love before they decided to marry. And her mother was ambitious enough that the idea of her daughter becoming Electress of Brandenburg was pretty tempting. If Karl Emil survives or Friedrich Wilhelm dies or an offer is extended from London, I could see the landgravine being more interested in such a match.

A good spokesman for Elisabeth Henriëtte (or any Hessian-Kassel match) would be none other than Prince Rupert. He and the landgrave were battle buddies IIRC. So he'd probably be pushing Elisabeth. Not to mention that she's also the niece of the Electress Palatine, the Princess de la Trémoïlle and has Dutch connections through her mom and paternal grandmother (Amalie of Hanau-Munzenberg).
 
I'm not so sure about Louis pushing Hesse. Sure, it's Kassel and more likely to be in the pro-French camp than their Darmstadt cousins. But also Friedrich Wilhelm and his cousin were very much in love before they decided to marry. And her mother was ambitious enough that the idea of her daughter becoming Electress of Brandenburg was pretty tempting. If Karl Emil survives or Friedrich Wilhelm dies or an offer is extended from London, I could see the landgravine being more interested in such a match.

A good spokesman for Elisabeth Henriëtte (or any Hessian-Kassel match) would be none other than Prince Rupert. He and the landgrave were battle buddies IIRC. So he'd probably be pushing Elisabeth. Not to mention that she's also the niece of the Electress Palatine, the Princess de la Trémoïlle and has Dutch connections through her mom and paternal grandmother (Amalie of Hanau-Munzenberg).
This is very true. So you’d recommend having Rupert get it into his head to promote his friends dauhter, rather than Louis doing such work?
 
I'm not so sure about Louis pushing Hesse. Sure, it's Kassel and more likely to be in the pro-French camp than their Darmstadt cousins. But also Friedrich Wilhelm and his cousin were very much in love before they decided to marry. And her mother was ambitious enough that the idea of her daughter becoming Electress of Brandenburg was pretty tempting. If Karl Emil survives or Friedrich Wilhelm dies or an offer is extended from London, I could see the landgravine being more interested in such a match.

A good spokesman for Elisabeth Henriëtte (or any Hessian-Kassel match) would be none other than Prince Rupert. He and the landgrave were battle buddies IIRC. So he'd probably be pushing Elisabeth. Not to mention that she's also the niece of the Electress Palatine, the Princess de la Trémoïlle and has Dutch connections through her mom and paternal grandmother (Amalie of Hanau-Munzenberg).
Friedrick of Brandedburg maybe was interested in marrying his cousin but he had more ambitious ideas for his wedding after becoming the heir and refuted to marry Elisabeth, hoping to marry his late brother's fiancee and in any case we are talking about a double (or triple) engagement around 1668/1670 with Mary engaged to the Dauphin, Elisabeth Henriëtte to Charlie (and maybe Amalie of Brandeburg to Jamie at the same time)... aka in Louis XIV's thinking: "if the York boys can not marry my nieces and must marry Protestant girl at least I will do my best for being sure who they will marry pro-French protestant girls!" and Rupert doing his best for pushing the daughter of friend for Charlie and left Jamie for her cousin.
Can work like that?
 
Friedrick of Brandedburg maybe was interested in marrying his cousin but he had more ambitious ideas for his wedding after becoming the heir and refuted to marry Elisabeth, hoping to marry his late brother's fiancee and in any case we are talking about a double (or triple) engagement around 1668/1670 with Mary engaged to the Dauphin, Elisabeth Henriëtte to Charlie (and maybe Amalie of Brandeburg to Jamie at the same time)... aka in Louis XIV's thinking: "if the York boys can not marry my nieces and must marry Protestant girl at least I will do my best for being sure who they will marry pro-French protestant girls!" and Rupert doing his best for pushing the daughter of friend for Charlie and left Jamie for her cousin.
Can work like that?
I agree
 
Also with either Philip prospero surviving or Carlos io being born relatively healthily and Louis having a surviving daughter, who could Marie Louise marry?
 
Also with either Philip prospero surviving or Carlos io being born relatively healthily and Louis having a surviving daughter, who could Marie Louise marry?
Austria, Portugal, Bavaria, Savoy, Tuscany, Modena, Mantua, Parma, Lorraine... depending from the alliances, peace treaties and bridegrooms' availability
 
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Possible bridegrooms for Marie Louise:
Leopold I as third wife
a surviving Ferdinand Wenzel
Pedro II of Portugal as second wife
John Willhelm of Palatinate-Neuburg
Maximilian II Emanuel of Bavaria
Francesco II d'Este, Duke of Modena (Mary's brother)
Charles V, Duke of Lorraine (in match like the OTL between Charles's son and her half-sister)

Ferdinando de' Medici can work for either her or Anne Marie in the unlikely case who Cosimo can be persuaded to accept a french daughter-in-law
Odoardo Farnese of Parma agewise better for Anne Marie
Victor Amadeus II of Savoy agewise is still a better husband for Anne Mari
e
John V of Portugal (ATL Isabella Luisa) if Pedro remarried to Anne of York can work for Anne-Marie


or another catholic german prince to which I have not thinked because can not remember who was Catholic and important enough other than Austria, Bavaria and Palatinate-Neuburg

If Louis XIV need an alliance with any of them and do not care who they are protestant and the bridegroom is interested in a french catholic bride:

Fredrick William of Brandenburg (OTL Fredrick I of Prussia)
George of Hannover (OTL George I of England)
an ATL son of Charles II of Palatinate (Liselotte's brother)
ATL son of Rupert of Rhine for either Marie Louise or Anne-Marie depending on birthdate
Charles XI of Sweden (he married Ulrika Eleonora of Denmark only in 1680)
Frederick IV of Denmark again work better for Anne Marie
an ATL John George IV (he is born after the POD) or Frederick Augustus I of Saxony (if John die early) also work better for Anne Marie
an ATL son of William of Orange and Liselotte if he is born early can work for Anne-Marie

Full list because I can not think to other possible husbands (and recycled the full list made for Anne of York plus any other important enough to which I was able to think)
 
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Also with either Philip prospero surviving or Carlos io being born relatively healthily and Louis having a surviving daughter, who could Marie Louise marry?

The king/heir of Portugal if Anne hasn't snapped him up. Also, the Elector of Bavaria or the duke of Savoy (although he's a bit younger). I'd add Ferdinandino de Medici to the list, but short of an act of God his dad won't even consider it.
 
The king/heir of Portugal if Anne hasn't snapped him up. Also, the Elector of Bavaria or the duke of Savoy (although he's a bit younger). I'd add Ferdinandino de Medici to the list, but short of an act of God his dad won't even consider it.
I am still working to a full list of possible bridegrooms for both Marie Louise and Anne-Marie... My list is done... two posts up but I need a full list of any wedding you have already decided
 
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Possible bridegrooms for Marie Louise:
Leopold I as third wife
a surviving Ferdinand Wenzel
Pedro II of Portugal as second wife
John Willhelm of Palatinate-Neuburg
Maximilian II Emanuel of Bavaria
Francesco II d'Este, Duke of Modena (Mary's brother)
Charles V, Duke of Lorraine (in match like the OTL between Charles's son and her half-sister)

Ferdinando de' Medici can work for either her or Anne Marie in the unlikely case who Cosimo can be persuaded to accept a french daughter-in-law
Odoardo Farnese of Parma agewise better for Anne Marie
Victor Amadeus II of Savoy agewise is still a better husband for Anne Mari
e
John V of Portugal (ATL Isabella Luisa) if Pedro remarried to Anne of York can work for Anne-Marie


or another catholic german prince to which I have not thinked because can not remember who was Catholic and important enough other than Austria, Bavaria and Palatinate-Neuburg

If Louis XIV need an alliance with any of them and do not care who they are protestant and the bridegroom is interested in a french catholic bride:

Fredrick William of Brandenburg (OTL Fredrick I of Prussia)
George of Hannover (OTL George I of England)
an ATL son of Charles II of Palatinate (Liselotte's brother)
ATL son of Rupert of Rhine for either Marie Louise or Anne-Marie depending on birthdate
Charles XI of Sweden (he married Ulrika Eleonora of Denmark only in 1680)
Frederick IV of Denmark again work better for Anne Marie
an ATL John George IV (he is born after the POD) or Frederick Augustus I of Saxony (if John die early) also work better for Anne Marie
an ATL son of William of Orange and Liselotte if he is born early can work for Anne-Marie

Full list because I can not think to other possible husbands (and recycled the full list made for Anne of York plus any other important enough to which I was able to think)

Leopold I as a third wife for him would be interesting
 
Leopold I as a third wife for him would be interesting
Yes, Austria is the best choice for Marie Louise plus Pedro II will not be available before 1683 so he can marry Anne Marie as second wife.
At this point we need brides for:

Pedro II of Portugal as ATL second wife
Maximilian Emmanuel of Bavaria
Victor Amadeus of Savoy
Ferdinand of Tuscany
John Willhelm of Palatinate-Neuburg
Fredrick William of Brandenburg
John Willhelm of Palatinate-Neuburg
Maximilian II Emanuel of Bavaria
Odoardo Farnese of Parma
ATL son of William of Orange and Liselotte if he is born early can work for Anne-Marie
eventual ATL heir of Palatinate (son of either Charles II or prince Rupert)
 
Yes, Austria is the best choice for Marie Louise plus Pedro II will not be available before 1683 so he can marry Anne Marie as second wife.
At this point we need brides for:

Pedro II of Portugal as ATL second wife
Maximilian Emmanuel of Bavaria
Victor Amadeus of Savoy
Ferdinand of Tuscany
John Willhelm of Palatinate-Neuburg
Fredrick William of Brandenburg
John Willhelm of Palatinate-Neuburg
Maximilian II Emanuel of Bavaria
Odoardo Farnese of Parma
ATL son of William of Orange and Liselotte if he is born early can work for Anne-Marie
eventual ATL heir of Palatinate (son of either Charles II or prince Rupert)

Hmm interesting, would Pedro look to remarry if Isabel is born a boy?
 
Yes, Austria is the best choice for Marie Louise plus Pedro II will not be available before 1683 so he can marry Anne Marie as second wife.
At this point we need brides for:

Pedro II of Portugal as ATL second wife
Maximilian Emmanuel of Bavaria
Victor Amadeus of Savoy
Ferdinand of Tuscany
John Willhelm of Palatinate-Neuburg
Fredrick William of Brandenburg
John Willhelm of Palatinate-Neuburg
Maximilian II Emanuel of Bavaria
Odoardo Farnese of Parma
ATL son of William of Orange and Liselotte if he is born early can work for Anne-Marie
eventual ATL heir of Palatinate (son of either Charles II or prince Rupert)

I don't see why Maria Antonia can't marry Maximilian Emmanuel
 
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I don't see why Maria Antonia can't marry Maximilian Emmanuel
Maria Antonia is still a well sought bride and with the different remarriage of her father and the Orleans' girls I am not sure she will marry her OTL husband (she can marry Bavaria but also Savoy or Tuscany) while he can marry elsewhere: maybe Anna Maria Luisa de' Medici or one of the Neuburg's sisters (Maria Sophia Elisabeth, Maria Anna or Dorothea Sophia) as neither of them will make their OTL matches
 
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