charles, duke of Cambridge (born 1660) survives

A query for you all, and in keeping with my recent Stuart theme. Charles, duke of Cambridge born 1660 was the first child of James II and Anne Hyde, conceived seven months before his parents married, had Henrietta Maria and Charles advisors had their way, he’d have been declared illegitimate. However, Charles II approved of James and Anne marriage and therefore he was born legitimate. He died in 1661 or smallpox.

My question is this, let’s say he never gets smallpox and lives onto his first birthday and beyond, what changes? James now has an heir, and with the birth of Mary in 1662 a daughter also. Would the pressure for sons still be there, or would it be relieved slightly? Would the rumours around his birth be there or not? And finally what does this do for the political situation, if he survives and marries and has children, during his uncles reign?
 
I have a feeling that if Mary is born a girl in 1662, that James will look to have another son as a spare which will lead to the birth of otl James duke of Cambridge
 
With his uncles blessing, there will be no rumours around his birth as he is legitimately the third in line to the throne.

His father would continue trying to produce an heir, but not stressing over a spare if his first is strong and healthy.

He is 25 years old, when his uncle dies, seeing his father, crowned King of England and Scotland.
He is 41 years old, when his father dies, on 16 September 1701, as James II, will avoid a revolution, in this TL.

Being born at this age, he has a large selection of potential brides:
- Lady Elizabeth Percy (1667–1722), the only surviving child and sole heiress of Joceline Percy, 11th Earl of Northumberland (1644–1670)
- Katherine Hamilton, daughter of Anne Hamilton, 3rd Duchess of Hamilton and her husband William Douglas, the Duke of Hamilton
- Lady Margaret Cavendish (1661–1716), Lady Frances Cavendish (25 June 1660 – 4 February 1690) or Lady Catherine Cavendish (1665–1712) daughter of Henry Cavendish, 2nd Duke of Newcastle-upon-Tyne and his wife, Frances Pierrepoint.
- Sophia Charlotte (1668-1705) his cousin via Sophia of the Palatinate
- Maria Sophia Elisabeth (1666-OTL 1699) and Maria Anna (1667-1740), both daughters of Philip William, Elector Palatine
- Anna Maria Luisa de' Medici (1667–1743) the only daughter of Cosimo III de' Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany, and Marguerite Louise d'Orléans, a niece of Louis XIII of France.
- One of the four, daughters of of Kenneth Mackenzie, 3rd Earl of Seaforth, and his wife, Isabel.
- Maria Anna Victoria of Bavaria (1660–OTL 1690) or Violante Beatrice of Bavaria (1673–1731) daughters of Elector of Bavaria, Ferdinand Maria, and Henriette Adelaide of Savoy,
- Maria Antonia of Austria (1669 – 24 December 1692) the eldest daughter and only surviving child of Holy Roman Emperor Leopold I and his wife Margaret Theresa of Spain.
- Marie Louise d'Orléans (1662–OTL 1689), granddaughter of Louis XIII of France, daughter of Philippe, Duke of Orléans, and his first wife, Henrietta Anne of England.
- Marie Thérèse (1667-OTL 1672) Daughter of Louis XIV of France and his wife, Maria Theresa of Spain, could our POD change her death.
- Marie Anne de Bourbon, legitimised daughter of King Louis XIV of France and his mistress Louise de La Vallière.
 
With his uncles blessing, there will be no rumours around his birth as he is legitimately the third in line to the throne.

His father would continue trying to produce an heir, but not stressing over a spare if his first is strong and healthy.

He is 25 years old, when his uncle dies, seeing his father, crowned King of England and Scotland.
He is 41 years old, when his father dies, on 16 September 1701, as James II, will avoid a revolution, in this TL.

Being born at this age, he has a large selection of potential brides:
- Lady Elizabeth Percy (1667–1722), the only surviving child and sole heiress of Joceline Percy, 11th Earl of Northumberland (1644–1670)
- Katherine Hamilton, daughter of Anne Hamilton, 3rd Duchess of Hamilton and her husband William Douglas, the Duke of Hamilton
- Lady Margaret Cavendish (1661–1716), Lady Frances Cavendish (25 June 1660 – 4 February 1690) or Lady Catherine Cavendish (1665–1712) daughter of Henry Cavendish, 2nd Duke of Newcastle-upon-Tyne and his wife, Frances Pierrepoint.
- Sophia Charlotte (1668-1705) his cousin via Sophia of the Palatinate
- Maria Sophia Elisabeth (1666-OTL 1699) and Maria Anna (1667-1740), both daughters of Philip William, Elector Palatine
- Anna Maria Luisa de' Medici (1667–1743) the only daughter of Cosimo III de' Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany, and Marguerite Louise d'Orléans, a niece of Louis XIII of France.
- One of the four, daughters of of Kenneth Mackenzie, 3rd Earl of Seaforth, and his wife, Isabel.
- Maria Anna Victoria of Bavaria (1660–OTL 1690) or Violante Beatrice of Bavaria (1673–1731) daughters of Elector of Bavaria, Ferdinand Maria, and Henriette Adelaide of Savoy,
- Maria Antonia of Austria (1669 – 24 December 1692) the eldest daughter and only surviving child of Holy Roman Emperor Leopold I and his wife Margaret Theresa of Spain.
- Marie Louise d'Orléans (1662–OTL 1689), granddaughter of Louis XIII of France, daughter of Philippe, Duke of Orléans, and his first wife, Henrietta Anne of England.
- Marie Thérèse (1667-OTL 1672) Daughter of Louis XIV of France and his wife, Maria Theresa of Spain, could our POD change her death.
- Marie Anne de Bourbon, legitimised daughter of King Louis XIV of France and his mistress Louise de La Vallière.
That’s quite the the bevvy of brides choices rhere, I suppose having a devout Anglican duke of Cambridge helps James avoid fscing revolution even if he converts due to the Anglican’s heir.

As for bride choices. I think either Sophia Charlotte, Marie Louise of Orleans- if Marie Therese survives I think she’d marry Carlos’s of Spain- or Maria Antonia of Spain could be a good choice
 
He is 41 years old, when his father dies, on 16 September 1701, as James II, will avoid a revolution, in this TL. ..VVD0295

This is possible. As both Mary and Anne were raised Protestant, I see no reason that young Charles would not be raised that way himself. Thus the "Arrangement" that James II could reign as his heir was a Protestant.
 
He is 41 years old, when his father dies, on 16 September 1701, as James II, will avoid a revolution, in this TL. ..VVD0295

This is possible. As both Mary and Anne were raised Protestant, I see no reason that young Charles would not be raised that way himself. Thus the "Arrangement" that James II could reign as his heir was a Protestant.

Interesting so you don’t think James would be forced out if he’s catholic, and Charles raised to the throne earlier?
 
Interesting so you don’t think James would be forced out if he’s catholic, and Charles raised to the throne earlier?
As long as James keeps his cool and doesn't promote too many Catholics, the Protestants, will just hold out for his death. He may find a quicker death than 1701, but thats just assuming.
 
As long as James keeps his cool and doesn't promote too many Catholics, the Protestants, will just hold out for his death. He may find a quicker death than 1701, but thats just assuming.
Hosmis very true, with an adult heir with his own kids on the council, I imagine James might see his hand tamed. If he can keep his cool. Otl suggests otherwise. Though without the exclusion crisis and the popish plot, perhaps he’ll be less fanatical
 
Knowing Charles II a French marriage seems likely, or if not then a Bavarian as proxy?
Marrying into the French, will show honour to the royal family put the family up while in exiled, whereas a strong German state, will help the Stuarts stay linked to the continent.
 
Hosmis very true, with an adult heir with his own kids on the council, I imagine James might see his hand tamed. If he can keep his cool. Otl suggests otherwise. Though without the exclusion crisis and the popish plot, perhaps he’ll be less fanatical
Hopefully or parliament reminds James what happened to his father, bringing about a second Magna Carta
 
Marrying into the French, will show honour to the royal family put the family up while in exiled, whereas a strong German state, will help the Stuarts stay linked to the continent.

Hmm agreed, plus the Orleans girls are Charles cousins as well, so Orleans do you think or Maria Antonia?

Hopefully or parliament reminds James what happened to his father, bringing about a second Magna Carta
And this is very true. I can see Charles as prince of wales moving between loyalty to his fsther and to the dynasty
 
Hmm agreed, plus the Orleans girls are Charles cousins as well, so Orleans do you think or Maria Antonia?
Orleans I would choose personally.

And this is very true. I can see Charles as prince of wales moving between loyalty to his fsther and to the dynasty
at the age of 25, he will most like have one child by now, so he will have to weigh up his loyalty to his "mad pious" father or his children and his own safety on the throne.
Maybe the glorious revolution sees Charles III forcing his father to abdicate and retire to a castle in exile.
 
Orleans I would choose personally.


at the age of 25, he will most like have one child by now, so he will have to weigh up his loyalty to his "mad pious" father or his children and his own safety on the throne.
Maybe the glorious revolution sees Charles III forcing his father to abdicate and retire to a castle in exile.

Agreed, Orleans makes sense. Especially if Louis own daughter survives.

And oh thay could be something, no noble involvement, but an agreement between fsther a snd son?
 
Given the pod is an avoidance of Charles may 1661 death, I’m thinking of having Philip Prospero survive or have Carlos ii be born healthy. Which would be more interesting?

And I think Charles married to Marie Louise makes the most sense, perhaps giving them four children?
 
Interesting so you don’t think James would be forced out if he’s catholic, and Charles raised to the throne earlier?
I guess that would have to do with his brother Charles II and if he puts any pressure on the then Duke of York to renounce the throne to his "protestant son." James II did inherit the the throne when at the time his adult protestant daughters were available to inherit the throne. Charles put no pressure at him at that time. Do you think he would have a different opinion if their was male heir instead of his nieces?
 
I guess that would have to do with his brother Charles II and if he puts any pressure on the then Duke of York to renounce the throne to his "protestant son." James II did inherit the the throne when at the time his adult protestant daughters were available to inherit the throne. Charles put no pressure at him at that time. Do you think he would have a different opinion if their was male heir instead of his nieces?
I’m unsure, but Charles duke of Cambridge could pressure his fsther to abdicate if he hi is the man is running the risk of another war. Especially if he himself has children
 
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