Chaos TL: A world without Genghis Khan's conquests (finished!)

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by Max Sinister, May 7, 2006.

  1. Tizoc Freelance Debris Architect

    Mar 10, 2006
    Warszawa, Polska
    ...I mean, following the Bug river (and yes, I was thinking about that one that flows into Vistula) you'll sooner reach Baltic Sea than the Black Sea...
  2. Max Sinister Retired Myriad Club Member

    Jan 15, 2004
    The Chaos TL
    @Constantinople: Some parts of Atlantis were more heavily settled than OTL America (Canada, German Atlantis, Italia Nuova), others weren't.
    German Atlantis became the stronger partner of Old Germany, similar to OTL USA and Britain.
    The Czar never came back.

    @Stalker: Thanks for the translation of "Old and New Russia". I mistook Veliki as in "Veliki Novgorod" for "Old" instead of "Great". Soyuz - of course, as in CCCP.
    I'm aware that Southern Ukraine wasn't Russian for a long time, and that the cities are very young. Donezk at least is a natural name for a city founded at Don river, and Charkov is Russian for Kuman Sharukan, but I have trouble making up enough Russian city names. That's why I explicitly referred that these cities are from OTL.
    The logistics... too many things to factor in. But note that they have the navies of a stronger, more populated Russia, and that of Italia Nuova - more than the USA from IOTL. And Unionist Russia is a totalitarian state. Technology is also farther progressed. If these transports wouldn't work out, there'd probably never be a World War ITTL - Italia Nuova is too vulnerable from the Germans, European Germany from the Russians.

    @Tizoc: It's the Boh river, also called Southern Bug. (All those renamings since Ukraine got independence...) The Russians attacked from north of Kiev, went south (doing TTL equivalent of "sickle cut"), reached Southern Bug at Vinnytsia, and marched towards south-east, to the Black Sea. After dividing the German forces, they can crush them.

    If I find the time, I will produce a map which shows the troop movements during the war.
    Last edited: Mar 2, 2007
  3. Stalker Banned

    Nov 2, 2005
    Kiev, well, there be dragons...
    What pertains Kharkov, I cannot say anything except that there's a river Kharka, what concerns Donetsk, you've got a typical mistake here - the name of the city derives from the name of a different river - Seversky Donets. The original name of the city (the capital of Ukrainian Ruhr) was Yuzovka - they say, deriving from the name of the Englishmen who owned mines and factories in the region (don't know whether his surname was simply Use or even Hughes - then he had probably Welsh background).:rolleyes:
    The names Odessa (from Greek Odessos but with feminine flexion) never changed but there might be a different name of the city - after the Turkic name of the sattlement there - Gajibey. Generally, when Russians colonised Southern Ukraine, it was fasionable to give cities Greek names: Mariupol(is), Sevastopol(is), Simferopol(is), Kherson(es) etc.

    Still, I have problem believing it. Sorry.:eek:

    Technically, both Russian and Ukrainian names of the river beside the word "Southern" are written in Cyrillics in the same way "Буг". The problem thus bears purely phonetic character. The point is that Ukrainian sound "г" is closer to "h", and Russian "г" is closer to "g" (as in "gate"). So, it should be written as Buh or Booh and not Boh.

    Be careful here, Max. North of Kiev is Polesye (Polissya) - all swamps, deep forests and few roads. I'd say, it's a terrain which is not much suitable for any military activities - massive offensive is one of them. But you might remember Soviet Belorussian operation "Bagration" in summer 1944.;)
  4. Max Sinister Retired Myriad Club Member

    Jan 15, 2004
    The Chaos TL
    *It lives!*

    Sorry for the long delay, it wasn't that easy for me to write all the remaining stuff of the worst war TTL ever had. Read it and you'll know what I mean. Prepare for the worst.

    @Stalker: Thanks for the tip on Russian city names.
    Bug, Boh, whatever... wikipedia transliterates it as Boh.
    About the attack through the swamps: I was ware of it. Russia ITTL is more settled, and I can imagine that they drained some swamps. Besides, the Ardennes were thought as impossible to pass for tanks too. (Note the parallel to OTL.)
    PS: Fasten your seat belt, this is going to be a bumpy ride. Sorry.

    First another retcon:
    1830: A Swedish ship coming from Australia (OTL South Africa) discovers Antarctica.

    1910: Shayna Löwenpferd born in Marseille. Her father is the owner of a small, not-too-well doing antique shop, her mother a teacher for mathematics.

    September 1916: Marseille conquered by Socialist troops. Many Jews flee to Greater Judea. Her family stays, however - her father is a radical orthodox Jew who sees the existence of a Jewish state as wrong. Soon however, he loses his shop, and the family becomes even poorer.

    1930: Young Shayna, after becoming adult, is allowed to travel to Italy. The Socialists think she won't dare to escape since her parents are still in Marseille; however, she stays in Italy, never to return. She has a number of different jobs, finally ending as a teacher. Her hopes for a job at a university are crushed since the famiglia doesn't trust anyone not in the Imperial Catholics and doesn't like working women that much either.

    1932: Fascists make life in Italy difficult for people with foreign names. Shayna Löwenpferd changes her name into Sofonisba Leoncavallo.

    1934: The German technocracy claims all of Antarctica for Germany.

    1935: Sofonisba Leoncavallo is forbidden to publish. Unable to protest or flee, she mostly retreats into her house and works on her philosophical system.

    June 1943: Russia and Greater Italy force the Seljuks to accept occupation of their biggest cities (Constantinople, Angora, Smyrna and all other harbors). The Russians take those cities in the north, the Italians those in the south.

    And now let's continue where we stopped at WW2...
    In early 1944, the situation is still undecided. In the Old World, Germany's reduced to Persia and its remaining Indian colonies in Asia and Morocco and its African colonies on the black continent; but in Atlantis. Still, everyone in Greater Italy and Unionist Russia believes that the Germans have to run out of power somewhen - after all, they only can continue the fight because they have hired hundreds of thousands of African, Arab, Indian and native Atlantean mercenaries.

    Early 1944: Germany sends more ships from Atlantis into the Med. The battle between the "natural aircraft carrier" that's Italy and Germany's artificial aircraft carriers begins.
    Russian desert troops conquer the desert in the NE of Persia. The conquest looks good on a map, but is mostly wortless, except for the fact that now all Persian cities can be bombed or shot with rockets.

    January 1944: Germans conquer Oran. In Atlantis, they conquer the Mississippi delta, cut the Italians off from the Caribbean and take their oil wells.
    Russia takes Kwatta, the one entryway to the Indian subcontinent.

    February 1944: Germans besiege Algiers. In Atlantis, they advance from the South towards Roma Nuova.
    After hard battles with many thousand dead, Russia also takes Peshawar, the second entryway to India. Germany tries to mobilize the various independent states in the Indus valley, but most don't want to fight Russia.

    March 1944: Germans conquer Algiers.
    Russians manage a complete breakthrough in Northern India. German troops flee,have to build up a new front some hundred miles east in Lahore. Some Indus valley states side with Russia.

    March 10th, 1944: Supreme commander Conoli capitulates in Italia Nuova. The war on this continent is over. As soon as the German troops have recovered, they're shipped to North Africa.

    April 1944: Germans cross the border between Algeria and Tunisia. They have entered Italian-speaking territory.
    The situation in the Italian Andes becomes unbearable. The Italian minority fears an uprising of the Quechua and "mestizos", since the country is completely cut off from necessary food supply, and the stocks are running out. The ruling padrones contact Germany via Braseal, and after some negotiations, the technocracy accepts that Gaetano Riccobono (Cuzco) and Nicola Greco (Potosi) can keep their power, if they leave the war, secede from Greater Italy and sign a treaty that forbids a reunification of their two states with each other or other Italian-speaking states in the world. Now, the Germans and their allies rule the whole double continent of Atlantis.
    Rusians start moving south in the Indus valley.

    April 17th, 1944: First sea battle in the Adria. German aircraft carrier "Bernhard I" enters the sea.

    May 1944: Germans conquer Tunis.
    Russian troops coming from NW and NE unite in Sukkhur in the Indus valley.

    June 1944: Germans manage to conquer the Balearic Islands from the air, with paratroopers. Taking the islands costs them many lives, however. The chances to use them for a landing in Italy, or another naval landing, have shrunk.
    Russians besiege Hayderabad.

    June 18th, 1944: German paratroopers take Malta. Although successful, this attack weakens their paratrooper force even more, however.

    June 26th, 1944: A single German plane flies towards the North Italian city of Verona. It drops a single bomb on the city - the first nuclear bomb. Of the quarter million people in the city, 70,000 will die immediately, more than 80,000 until the end of the year.

    June 27th, 1944: Germany tells the Italians that they have some more nuclear bombs ready and won't hesitate to obliterate more Italian cities.

    June 31st (note: it's a leap day), 1944: When padrone Santino Neri of Rome doesn't want to capitulate, he is killed by his own underlings.

    July 1944: Italy capitulates in Europe and North Africa. Germany has knocked out the first opponent.
    Russians take Hayderabad and Lahore, threaten the Ganges valley.
    Seljuks overwhelm their Italian occupationers.

    Late 1944: Germany doesn't use nukes against Russia yet, fearing that they might retaliate against the civilians in the occupied part of Germany. This makes the Russians think (they're wrong) that the Germans only had one nuke to start with.
    The more areas the Germans reconquer, the more atrocities become known (millions of Germans, Poles, Czechs, Hungarians and Slovaks were forced to work for the Russians, many in Russia proper; many German and other women were raped; and the Russians and Italians brutally retaliated against partisans). The public sphere, once they learn about this, is shocked, and the Technocratic propaganda can use this for their own spin.

    July / August 1944: Germany occupies Egypt, Northern Africa, Italy. In Italian-occupied Germany and on the Balcans however, Russian troops disarm and replace the Italians. The Germans only can retake the Alps and Upper Switzerland, linking up with their partisans there who have held out throughout the years. In the southern half of Anatolia, the Seljuks take up arms and fight the advancing Russians.

    August 1944: Chinese troops sent by the emperor occupy Srinagar, and declare Kashmir a Chinese protectorate.
    The Punjab battles.
    Free Seljuks declare war against the Russians who still occupy the northern half of their country.

    September 1944: Austria, Slovenia, the Black Forest and Germany south of the Danube are liberated.
    In Switzerland, the survivors of the short-lived independent Switzerland government (1942/43, we remember) are secretly put on trial for treason / secession and hanged. The Italians are made responsible for their deaths.
    The Italian lands in North Africa are officially seperated from the rest of Italy and forbidden to reunificate.

    October 1944: Germans push the Russians behind the Main, march into Bohemia and Hungary.
    In India, Germany has decided the Punjab battles for itself and slowly starts to drive the Russians back.
    Germans attack the Russian occupation force of Gallipoli; Although the Russians defend well, the Seljuks uprising in their back make defense difficult.

    November 1944: Germans retake Prague and the old capital Dresden, march into Brandenburg, Silesia and Slovakia, where they link up with the Polish, Czech and Slovak partisans.
    Amritsar reconquered by the Germans and their Indian allies.
    Gallipoli falls, German navy enters Marmara Sea.

    December 1944: Germans reach the Baltic from the south. Now, only Poland and Prussia are Russian-occupied.
    Germans reconquer Lahore.
    Germans bombard Constantinople.

    January 1945: Germans push the Russians behind the Vistula, also push northwards from the Carpathians.
    Fresh German troops landed in the Indus delta march towards Russian-occupied Hayderabad.
    Seljuks and Germans kick the Russians out of Constantinople.

    February 1945: Poland and Herzogsberg (OTL Königsberg) liberated.
    Hayderabad besieged, this time by Germans.
    German navy enters the Black Sea.

    March 1945: German troops reach the Dvina.
    German navy has entered the Persian gulf, bombs the oilfields the Russians have tried to repair since they conquered them.
    Sea battle of Suchumi.

    April 1945: All of pre-war Germany is liberated, and the technocrats decide that the time is ripe to start "Plan 10".
    Germans conquer Rawalpindi.
    Sea battle of Burgas, Bulgaria.

    April 22nd, 1945: A German nuke destroys Popovsk (OTL Chabarovsk). More than 150,000 dead people. A few German and Polish forced laborers are also among the victims, but the Technocracy sees them as collateral damage.

    April 23rd, 1945: Germans nuke Murman (OTL Murmansk). There'll be more than 250,000 victims.

    April 28th, 1945: Germans nuke Minsk.

    May 1945: Russian dictator Gridenkov tries to suppress the whole tragic, claims the Germans had no more nukes, and Russian scientists were working successfully on their own nukes. Some local governors in the East, however, start to contact Germany with the help of their embassies in China.
    Germany starts to roll back the Russian and their allies in the Indus valley.

    May 15th, 1945: Germans nuke the city of Gridenkovsk (OTL Donezk, Ukraine - yes, it was renamed). If you ask: They used a plane coming from an aircraft carrier in the Black Sea. More than 500,000 people will die.

    May 24th, 1945: The governors of the Pacific provinces capitulate to Germany, let the German troops march in. Gridenkov is mad at them, calls the Russians in the occupied areas to resist.

    June 1945: Gridenkov has mobilized troops in the East to "fight the Germans and their allied traitors!"
    After the German conquest of Sukkhur, Russian troops in the Indua valley are cut off.
    German troops land on Crimea, declare the peninsula for independent.

    June 4th, 1945: The Russian north-west splits off, akin to the Pacific areas. This gives the Germans Finland, too.

    June 13th, 1945: After the Russians drive the Germans and their allies at the Baikal front back, the Germans send a plane north, and have Lenapetrovsk (near OTL Kirensk) nuked. The radioactivity will spread with the river further north.

    June 21st, 1945: Novgorod (yes, former capital of Novgorod republic) falls.

    June 25th: Germans nuke Tver. Now the central industrial area of Russia is threatened.

    July 1945: The defeats on all fronts make some militaries think about making an end. Gridenkov is going more and more mad, claims that the Germans are "poisoning" the minds of the Russians with their secret weapons, and plans killing all the German forced laborers. Rumors say that he already had some captured Germans sacrificed to Chernobog.
    Russian Indus army capitulates.
    Seljuks overwhelm last Russian troops in their cities.

    July 9th, 1945: Gridenkov is killed by the "generals' conspiracy". They and the Germans are glad and hope for an ende of the war. But since the biggest part of Russia still wasn't hit by the war, many governors, mayors and officers loyal to Gridenkov swear to continue the fight.

    August 1945: Russians manage to stop the Germans at Peshawar and Kwatta.
    Kaluga conquered; Vladimir, Moscow and other cities in the area bombed.
    Germans take Perekop, start advancing into the southern steppes.
    In the East, Yenisseisk is taken by Germans. During he figths, the university of the city burns down; China protests against this "rape of a site of culture".
    Persians and Afghans are now at advantage against the confused Russian troops.

    August 14th, 1945: Tula nuked.

    August 26th, 1945: Nishni Novgorod nuked.

    September 1945: Except for some fanatics, the Russians in Kurdistan, Mesopotamia, Persia and Afghanistan capitulate or flee further back.

    September 5th, 1945: Voronezh nuked. Germans decide not to use any more nukes in the war.

    October 1945: Russian troops leave the Transcaucasus and Choresm. Order has pretty much broken down.

    Late 1945: Germans march along the Russian railroads, topple pro-Gridenkov governors and replace them by their satellites. Every Russian province becomes an independent state.

    November 1945: Socialist uprisings among the workers in the north Italian cities start. Germans bound in Russia are unable to interfere.

    December 1945: Sofonisba Leoncavallo flees via Dalmatia, Croatia, Hungary to Germany, where she settles in the (European) capital of Dresden. Again, she takes on a different name, Sophie Stein. Soon, she starts writing against Socialism.

    Early 1946: Socialist uprisings spread throughout Italy; weak German occupation troops retreat behind the Alps or to the Balcans and North Africa.

    March 11th 1946: German troops have reached the Urals; World War 2 declared to be over.

    [post=996729]More about Sophie Stein and Veritism[/post]
    [post=1013321]A story from the German home front in WW2[/post]
    Last edited: Apr 3, 2007
  5. Superdude Banned

    Apr 12, 2005
    Ok, what?

    Is that even plausible?
  6. Constantinople Trump is Temporary, but hey, Brexit is forever Banned

    Mar 13, 2005
    Why must the Italians and russians always loose?
    Good update though.
  7. Max Sinister Retired Myriad Club Member

    Jan 15, 2004
    The Chaos TL
    @Constantinople: Thanks. Sorry, the real reason was: It's already hard to write stories happening in a parallel-world Germany - it'd be impossible for me if Russia and/or Italy would be the only superpower.
    @Superdude: What do you mean? Is it about the Germans in Russia? It's like this: They don't occupy the full country, just the new capitals where they establish satellite governments who have to exercize control in their area.

    So or so, the TL goes on!

    The world until 1950 - and what happened since 1940 in the countries not in WW2:

    Winter 1946/47: Due to the ten dropped nukes, this winter is the coldest since decades. Germany with its wheat fields in North Atlantis and Argentinien makes big profits and can force many countries to become satellites. Still, the nuclear winter also frightens many Germans, despite censorship. The tecnocratic government uses the situation to proclaim that they'll stay in power, until the major problems are solved.

    April 1947: German general and technocrat Pistor states in the famous "Chaos speech" that most of the world has fallen into, well, chaos. Most of Atlantis outside Germany, India, Russia and Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and especially Africa are officially considered Chaos - areas with unclear power structure, where the borders change every few years and the governments every few months, except for some stable islands. The German policy for these areas decided is: Only interfere to secure German economical interests, or to fight states which governments have become Socialist or otherwise anti-German. This decision shows Germany's greatest problem after the won war: Being the only superpower (outside China) on a planet they can't fully control.

    October 1948: Under pressure from the victorious WW2 generals, the technocracy makes a new law that forces all technocrats to abdicate at the age of 70 - preventing the system from becoming sclerotic, as scientists will later find out.

    May 1949: Sophie Stein starts writing for "Das Reich", one of the biggest serious newspapers of Germany. Soon she becomes one of the most engaged voices for the technocracy and against Socialism. Her articles are even used by the German propaganda senders.

    July 1950: Sophie Stein publishes her first book about her radical-monetarist (=Capitalist) philosophy, called Veritism (TTL equivalent of Objectivism - there are some differences, Sophie Stein is more technocracy-friendly than Ayn Rand, and puts the emphasis a bit more on honesty, instead of pure truth).

    Canada and Pacifics:
    August 1942: In the uranium-rich area in OTL Saskatchewan, Germans start (with the knowledge of the Canadian technocratic government) to research the weapon that will help them win the war: The Atomic Bomb.

    March 1944: Germans test the first nuke at OTL Banks island.

    July 1945: Germany makes Tir na nOg its satellite, thus securing the iron ore sources of OTL Pilbara.

    1949: Canada renews its alliance with Germany; in addition, Germany guarantees the Canadian commonwealth (its colonies in the Pacific).

    1942: The crown prince who was visiting Nippon is killed by a Nipponese assassin. The occupation of the islands is worsened; again, many Nipponese flee.

    1947: China makes an alliance with Choresm, which is liberated but feels threatened by the Russians.

    1948: Olympic Games in Shanghai.

    February 1949: Germany decides to share their nuclear secrets with China, to make them agree that no other nation may get nuclear arms. Together, the two superpowers will exercise the necessary control in the next decades, relatively successful.

    Socialist Block:
    June 1946: Italy becomes part of the Socialist Block. Germans are still occupied in Russia and can't interfere, only tell the remains of the famiglia "to help themselves". In the Apennin mountains, anti-Socialist resistance will last until the 1950s.

    August 1946: All Italian officials are forced to become members of the Socialist party of Italy.

    April 1947: To the shock of the German technocracy, the Socialists test their first nuke in Lappland. The German plans to "roll back", or even destroy, the Socialist Block are scrapped. In Germany, the police starts looking for the Socialist sympathizers who told the Block the secret.

    1948: Bad harvests cause scarcity of food in the Socialist Block. The Germans are blamed. The pirates help a bit by smuggling food in.

    Atlantean Chaos:
    1941: Germans who fled from the technocratic dictature to other Atlantean countries like California, Florida, Caroline or Louisiana now have to flee again from the Italian conquerors; they mostly go to Mexico, where they recollect at the university of Tenochtitlan (OTL Mexico City).

    1944: After the defeat of the Italians in Atlantis, the technocracy became aware that German emigrants got some influence in Tenochtitlan. They contact the Mexican government and force them to return the emigrants; however, they're warned, and many of them can flee (mostly ending up in Braseal) or disappear.
    Louisiana, Caroline are reconstituted. The French minorities have the political power in both, despite that the Italians are more numerous.

    1945: Nicaragua canal completely repaired; stays under German control.

    1947: Braseal forced to accept the German brand of Christianity as a "respected religion" (before, there only were Braseal's Catholicism, and various kinds of Islam and Hinduism).

    Russian / Eastern European Chaos:
    June 1945: In the liberated / re-conquered Balcan republics, Germany re-installs the economic union of said states with Germany.

    1946-49: German occupation troops force the Russians to demontage most of their factories, effectively crippling their economy.

    1947: One of the coldest winters since long kills more than a million Russians.

    1949: When the Germans are sure that Gridenkov's system is destroyed, they leave Russia after putting new rulers in charge. The old Russia is broken into about a dozen independent states, ruled mostly by former officials who were willing to collaborate with the Germans. Some of them are lucky enough to be able to export resources like oil to Germany and China; others aren't.

    Indian Chaos:
    1946: Germany and its allies "mop up" the Russian allies in the Indus area. The lands are divided among Germany's allies.

    1947: After many of the Indian veterans returned home, the voices for independence of the remaining German colonies become louder again. The technocratic government hesitates.

    1948: In the Ganges valley, uprisings against German rule start again.

    May 1949: Germany gives the area of (roughly) OTL Bihar independence, splitting the independence movements.

    African Chaos:
    1946: Many African veterans who fought for the Germans return home, bringing knowledge from the more advanced world.

    1947-50: The Congo War. Several small states along the river engage in war.

    1948: A WW2 veteran from the Tonga people makes himself king of the new "Zambezi kingdom".

    1949: In OTL Liberia, a firm-like organization is founded that acts as an agent for African veterans who settled in Atlantis and want to marry women from their home.

    Middle Eastern Chaos:
    November 1944: Berb uprising in Morocco finally put down.

    1945: Germany starts to rebuild the reconquered oil wells at the Persian Gulf.

    1946: Many Italian refugees arrive in Italian North Africa.

    1948: The Socialist party of Greater Judea surprisingly loses its majority in the election. The main reason: Many Jews could earn some money during the rebuilding of the Middle East, or during the war, and aren't that much interested in Socialism anymore.

    [post=1036617]What is a Logo?[/post]
    [post=1044764]An adventurous story set in WW2[/post]
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  8. Max Sinister Retired Myriad Club Member

    Jan 15, 2004
    The Chaos TL
    The World 1950-60

    Much time has passed, but here's the update... 95% of the time is done!

    1920: Gansu earthquake in China. More than 200,000 dead people.

    1922: Typhoon in China kills 75,000 people.

    1927: Xining earthquake in China. More than 200,000 dead people.

    1929: Great Yellow River flood in China. Almost one million of dead.

    1932: Another Gansu earthquake in China.
    In Germany, the first story of "Theobald the Technician", a series for boys with interest in science and technics, appears.

    1948: Nisa earthquake destroys said city in Choresm. More than 200,000 dead people.

    The World 1950-60:
    After the hard 40s, which were shaped by the war and the post-war famines induced by the "artificial winter" caused by burning oil wells and dropped nukes, the world starts to recover again. The chaotic half of the world however, stays, well, chaotic.
    Science and technology are farther progressed than IOTL: Computers are already at the level of OTL 1990, and there is software for computer networks (just over copper wires yet) and databases. (Office software is just developing, however, PCs are rare and/or restricted, and there are few games, except those made by hobbyists.) Cryptography is on a very high level and strictly enforced. Flight and rocket technology also is farther progressed (WW2 started with jet engines and rockets; during the war, supersonic flight was developed), as is television (well, partly. Pictures are better, but TVs at home are rare), linguistics and many branches of chemistry.

    1950: Germany tests the first hydrogen bomb.

    1950s: "Baggersee (quarry pond) culture" in Germany initiated by the blacks. Since they can't play their preferred music in their quarters (their neighbors and the police don't want too much noise in the night), they start to celebrate regular festivals at the weekend at the quarry ponds - with fires, roast meat, and playing their loud Tech [1] music. Even some of their German coworkers join them.

    Groups of young immigrants start to form gangs. The German police calls them "Bolzer", a term for football / soccer fans. They hope to categorize the new problem by this way.

    Young Germans start illegal car races in the night. They're called "Mokker", from "Mok" as an abbrev for "Motorkutsche" (motor carriage), i.e. car.

    1951: #1 of "Geschichten aus Ordo" (Tales from Ordo) appears.

    1952: Olympic Games in Wildenhartburg (OTL Chicago).

    1953: Germany starts the first satellite from a base in OTL Gabun, thinks about building armed "killer" satellites, space photography.

    1954: Germany builds the first nuclear surface-to-surface missile.

    1960: Olympic Games in Alexandersborg (OTL Cape Town).

    1953: China makes peace treaties with several of the new Russian nations in its north.

    1956: Olympic Games in Canton.

    1958: China starts the first satellite.

    1959: The emperor dies, his second son takes the throne. He is the fourth adoptive emperor.

    Socialist Block:
    1952: Surprisingly, the Socialist Block launches the first artificial satellite from Sicily.

    1954: Inner divisions. France (which has become the leading nation between the wars) allies with Italy to hold down the German parts.

    1955: Computer scientists start working on a translation program, which the Socialist Block with five big and even more small languages desperately needs.

    1956: Socialist agents posing as refugees in Braseal manage to destroy the royal palace in Novolondon. The whole family is killed. Since the monarchy was one of the few things that held the multicultural country together, it falls into crisis.

    Canada and Pacific:
    1953: In Canadian Indonesia, a man appears who claims to be a Nipponese prince and starts to mobilize the Nipponese diaspora against hated China.

    1955: Canadian computer scientists develop the first evolutionary algorithms.

    1957: Technocratic government of Canada starts to surveil "suspicious persons" (mostly political opponents) with electronic tagging (typically with a shackle). Later, Germany also introduces this new method.

    Atlantean Chaos:
    1950s: Air conditioning becomes more common in the various countries, helping to develop third-sector business.

    1952: The area of Yucatan breaks away from Mexico, forming the first Maya state for centuries.

    1956: Germany sends troops to help to establish a new, "synarchist" regime in Braseal to stabilize the second-most populated country in Atlantis. Although half-way successful, German troops are bound in the country.

    Russian / Eastern European Chaos:
    1950: The number of Rurikid princes has fallen to about ten.

    1951: Greek fishermen find mysterious metal parts in their nets. No explanation for this is given, which leads to all kinds of speculations about extraterrestrials.

    1956: Igor Danilovich Sinyavsky from Kiev presents his linguistic theory (OTL equivalent would be Meaning-Text Theory).

    1958: Russia-successor state Uralistan has to make war against its neighbors after oil is discovered in the north.

    Indian Chaos:
    1950, August: Strong earthquake in Assam.

    1951: Germany gives the area of Benares independence. To split the Indians, they give control of the city to the Buddhists.

    1954: Kerala with its well educated population, Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka (the latter is split into three states) are granted independence.

    African Chaos:
    1952: The self-declared "Zambezi king" becomes too powerful for Germany, since they fear for their colonies in Australia (OTL South Africa) and Katanga. They support various other small kings and opposition groups to topple him, successfully.

    1954: Ethiopia, one of the few stable native states until now, also falls into civil war.

    1958: Irish-Catholic missionaries have been so successful in East Africa that their archbishop can take influence on the government of Zanzibar.

    Mediterranean / Middle Eastern Chaos:
    1952: Phineas ben-Frank writes the first multi-layer perceptron at the university of Damaskus.

    1954-57: Under its ambitious new ruler, Morocco attacks and conquers most of OTL Mali and Mauretania. Since it's an important German ally after Spain became Socialist, the Germans don't mind.

    1959: In Persia, after many years of civil war after the Russians left, Sunni and Shia make peace, if only because both are exhausted.

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  9. Constantinople Trump is Temporary, but hey, Brexit is forever Banned

    Mar 13, 2005
    Are the Russian princes ruling anywhere.
    Will russia rise out of this, and become a great power again?
  10. Max Sinister Retired Myriad Club Member

    Jan 15, 2004
    The Chaos TL
    @Constantinople: No, they just have the titles and a bit of personal fortune left. Most of them had to flee Gridenkov's Russia, or even Europe altogether. Russia itself is split into more than a dozen states which the German technocracy can play off each other.

    First a Retcon, as so often:
    1869: Chandramoorthy born in Puducherry. His family is from the traders' caste.

    1877: In the Vijayanagar Civil War, his parents are killed. He has to live on the street, joins the other street kids.

    1879: After his gang leader is killed in the Civil War, Chandramoorthy becomes new leader of his gang. In the next years, he expands the gang and allies with other kid gangs.

    1882: New Romans who have taken control of Puducherry decide to break down the kid gangs. Chandramoorthy is caught too, seperated from his gang members, unsure about their fate; he manages to escape from prison, but has to leave the city.

    1883: Chandramoorthy who went to Golkonda (near OTL Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh) finds a job as a manservant in the house of an old Italian officer. His boss was a lover of history, philosophy (esp. that of Epicure) and arts (including erotic arts). Chandramoorthy learns Italian and later teaches himself a lot about diverse topics from the library of his boss.

    1887: When his boss dies, Chandramoorthy is unemployed again. He finds another job, this time at the central library which the New Romans built meanwhile. In the next years, he'll study about all possible topics he can find.

    1892: His first marriage. (Until his death, he'll marry twice again [while having a lot of extramarital affairs too], and father seven kids [not counting illegitimate ones].)

    1896: Chandramoorthy decides to share his new acquired knowledge with his countrymen, becomes a teacher. Knowledge about modern science, economy, administration is "smuggled" out of the library, thanks to his extraordinary memory. As he says: "By this way, they lose nothing, but we gain a lot."

    1900: While the New Romans celebrate their new century, Chandramoorthy's followers set up the first school, having translated European works.

    1905: His followers set up the first school in his old home city Puducherry.

    1908: Chandramoorthy's philosophy starts to spread to (culturally different) Northern India.

    Late 1916: The Germans take over most of South India, including Golkonda and Puducherry.

    1921: The Germans start to become suspicious about Chandramoorthy and his circle of followers. Chandramoorthy leaves the city to teach as a guru in the wilderness, leaving his followers claiming him to be dead. Until his death, he stays the "grey eminence" for the growing network of his students, who start to make careers in economy, politics, military and science.

    1923: The great discussion about how to achieve independence among his followers. The guru tells his students to slowly collect power over the years until they're strong enough, and otherwise stay peaceful if possible.

    1947: One of his followers manages to become professor at the German university of Franzensburg - the first non-white to do so.

    1952: Chandramoorthy dies.

    The world, 1960-70:

    1962: German astronauts set foot on the moon. The names of the first two men doing so are Erich Stremmer and Eugen Gorski.
    Inspired by this impressing deed, the young people start to celebrate "weightless parties" (climax of said parties is that people are thrown in the air and caught again by their friends).

    1964: A government-supported movie about the German space missions (made completely from scenes shot in space) hits the cinemas. Although the government tries to sell it as a victory of science, technology and the virtues of technocracy, the pictures from tiny Earth in space and weightless astronauts seem to influence people in a different way.

    1968: Olympic Games in Prague (which is meanwhile relatively germanized).
    Behind the scenes, here (and in other computerized states) programmers fight with the "32-bit problem" (as we'd call it IOTL): The number of seconds since January 1900 is approaching 2**32, too big to be represented by unsigned 32-bit integers. All programs have to be switched to 64-bit base instead. While the majority of the population knows only distant rumors, the programmers are practically sleeping at their workplaces to fix the problem.

    1969: At the university of Franzensburg (OTL San Francisco), three computer science students (all having to do with Artificial Intelligence) talk about the possibility of a real AI, after the big government project of MULTI-KI (KI = Künstliche Intelligenz, German for AI) was scrapped. Putting together the facts they know, they come to the conclusion that a working AI is possible - but there is no sufficient calculation power to run it (although there are now supercomputers around which can do almost as many calculations as the human brain - not as many parallel, but they make it up with their speed). Still, they keep their plan, and even share it with other Logos.

    1960: The young emperor decides to modernize the country. Many (not to say thousands) of new technical schools, universities and research laboratories are built. One of his plans is to join the space race. He doesn't say it too loud, but he also plans to expand - which includes a bigger navy.

    1965: First Chinese space station with two men. German responsibles wonder whether the smaller size of the Chinese people gives them an advantage.

    1966: Chinese send the first space rover to moon. In Germany, they frantically start to push robot technology.

    1968: During the Olympic games, China manages to have the first Chinese set their feet on the moon. This success angers the Germans somewhat.

    Socialist Block:
    1961: French programmers surprisingly present a computer program that can translate complete articles and speeches from French into other languages, including figures of speech and other semantic meanings. The scientists are astounded - however, later it's found out that 1. the program has still problems with typos and 2. it's only usable for the highly formalized speeches and editorials of the French Socialists. Still, the principle of the program is used for similarly specialized texts.

    1962: The Socialist Block launches the first space station with a multi-man crew. Internal squabblings about many different things, including the question which nations should have the honor to send an astronaut into space, procrastinated the mission.

    1964: At the conference in Rome, the until then secret ruler of the block - the French Socialists - are replaced by the Italian Socialists, who managed to build an alliance with the Germans, Dutch and Spaniards. Now France profits less from the Socialist brotherhood.

    1967: Socialist Block tries to launch the first manned moon rocket, but it fails. Their space program has to be restarted.

    Canada and Pacific:
    1962: King George V of New Albion dies. He has no sons, so the country is split: Should his daughter Elizabeth become the first queen in the history of England, Great Britain and New Albion (which was the will of the late king too), or should the crown go to his brother Humphrey? Elizabeth's supporters fear that Humphrey's son could wreck the kingdom. Humphrey's supporters point out that Elizabeth has no children, despite being over 40.
    What follows is a civil war that literally splits the small kingdom - the Northern island with the capital stays loyal to Elizabeth, while the southern island and OTL Tasmania stand behind Humphrey. Although few people outside the kingdom take notice of the war, it shakes up the country like a storm.

    1963: When the Taoiseach of Tir Tairngire, Gearailt Seán Ó Cinnéide, protests against German presence in OTL West Australia, the German secret service has him killed. This doesn't make the technocrats more popular in the abroad. Irish-Catholic pope Patricius IX also protests, and the Irish-Catholics worldwide pass it on (and meanwhile, there's a small community of them in Germany too).

    1966: After the death of the last Hong emperor (who was under Canadian protection), a revolt on OTL Philippines threatens the stability of the region. Germany and Canada can't interfere right now, so China offers to put the unrest down. The Canadian government is suspicious, thinks China wants the mostly Chinese-settled islands back. Finally an agreement is found: In twenty years, the islands will vote whether to join China or stay a Canadian protectorate, although the former clearly is the most probable outcome.

    1969: King Humphrey VI (I in New Albion) dies, the crown goes to his son whom everyone suspects to be a bad king, which will become true. Queen Elizabeth I of the Northern island seeks Canadian support, which makes Humphrey VII/II even angrier - in his opinion, not only has Canada occupied British colonies around the Pacific, but is supposed to be his loyal colony!

    Atlantean Chaos:
    1960s: In Italia Nuova, the Terramici, the organized ecology movement, are formed. The Technocracy dismissed their protests as propaganda and themselves as marihuana smokers.

    1964-66: Maya-Miskito war.

    1967: The government of Peru (OTL northern Andean states) captures and executes the leaders of "The Imperial Way", a movement that wants to rebuild the New Roman Empire, at least in Atlantis.

    1969: Unrest among black people in the various states south of German (North) Atlantis for not having full rights.

    Russian / Eastern European Chaos:
    1962: Choresm makes war against the successor state centered on Itil (OTL Astrachan), for rights in the Caspian. Itil loses.

    1963: The "Free Volga" movement is founded in Russian states, aiming at a liberation of the Russian lands.

    1964: In some of the Russian states north of China, the cooperation is expanded - the Chinese emperor speaks of a possible economic union, or even monetary union.

    1967: Germany interferes in a war between Bryansk and its neighbors. This again makes many Russians angry about German domination.

    Indian Chaos:
    1960: Germany gives heavily populated Benghal independence.

    1962-67: Several wars in Northern India drive many millions of people into the South.

    1965: Followers of Chandramoorthy topple the Buddhist government of Varanasi/Benares.

    1968: Except for Bombay/Mumbai, all of India is now decolonized. However, it's also split into several dozen more or less weak states.

    African Chaos:
    1961: Baoule state falls apart, is replaced by many smaller states.

    1964: Some German tourists visiting west Africa stumble over the fact that the Socialist pirates have infiltrated harbor cities on the African coast, incl. bribing officials.

    1965: King of the Tutsi officially converts to Irish Catholicism, spreading their influence beyond Großer Afrikanischer See (OTL Lake Victoria).

    1969: Germany supports the Congo states to attack Douala, which becomes too strong and possibly threatens German oil fields in OTL Nigeria.

    Middle Eastern Chaos:
    1962: With help from Greater Judea, Italian Africa (OTL Tunisia, Libya and western Egypt) builds a canal to the Qattara depression, filling it with water and forming a new sea, to make salt and improve the desert climate. This is just the biggest of many Judean programs to irrigate the desert.

    1964: Olympic Games in Jerusalem (boycotted by some Muslim nations).

    1965: Germany supports an uprising in Upper Egypt to prevent that the state becomes too strong.

    1969: Greater Judea replaces coins and paper banknotes by plastic chips. In the following decade, Germany, Canada and other countries will follow suit.

    [post=1084329]Life, love and justice[/post]
  11. Max Sinister Retired Myriad Club Member

    Jan 15, 2004
    The Chaos TL
    1642: Kaifeng flood. 300,000 dead people.

    1950: TTL equivalent to WLAN becomes available for average citizens and firms too, after the war brought sufficient changes in technology and cryptology.

    1952: In a nuclear reactor in Norway, the technicians make a mistake, which leads to a core meltdown similar as in OTL Chernobyl. To prevent further accidents like that, they start a program for better computer simulations, to teach personal better. Germany learns about this and copies the idea.

    1959: In Germany, the Technocratic government allows free elections at precinct level (at district level, they were always allowed, except during the war). Parties stay forbidden; Socialist candidates can be put under house arrest.

    1960s: Among the young people, the movement of the "Menschenhelfer" (humanity's helpers) develops - people who want to travel the world and help the people in the Chaos countries along the way.

    The world, 1970-80:

    1970s: Young people fed up with the movies from Paradies (OTL Rio de Janeiro, TTL Germany's equivalent to Hollywood) and elsewhere, which have become predictable and repetetive, start to make "system movies": Movies without a linear structure, where you can decide - not about the end (which soon becomes boring, as people find out), but about looking at the fate of other characters, background information about them, free associations, and so on.

    1970s: After the success of Märchenwelten (VR) in the last decades, "virtual persons" are sophisticated enough to take roles as salespersons, supporters and other traditional white-collar jobs in the Weltsystem (=internet/WWW).

    1971: First free elections at region level. (Second-highest level of administration; precincts are 3rd, districts are 4th).

    1972: Olympic Games in Haraldsborg (OTL New York).

    1974: After a long time of prosperity, the German economy faces trouble, also because many workers were fired after the factories replaced them by robots. Unemployment higher than 10%. Behind the scenes, the elected politicians and the technocrats try to shift blame.

    1975: Germany launches its permanently manned space station, called Deutschland. China soon follows.

    1977: Germany makes a law that every firm has to have at least one human salesperson / supportperson, if these positions are necessary, for those customers who insist on human interaction. (Some firms cheat, however, esp. for support.)

    1970: China presents "smart button" computers: Computers in the size of, well, buttons.

    1973: China also announces that they plan to send a manned rocket to Mars.

    1976: Olympic Games in Ayutthaya, Thailand (which is a Chinese satellite).
    The games are overshadowed by the Tangshan earthquake, which kills more than half a million people (exact numbers are hard to get).

    1977: The Chinese emperor founds the first university dedicated alone to nanotechnology.

    Socialist Block:
    1972: Ten years after they tried first, the Socialist Block manages to send a manned rocket to moon. The costs are very high, though, and strain their finances - so, they have to cancel the planned permanently-manned space station. Germany decides to prepare for a manned flight to Mars.

    1975: The government talks about the weakly developed third sector in the Block. Their problem: After many decades of Socialist propaganda, too few people want to work in "servant" jobs. It's decided to allow immigration from the Chaos, esp. Africa.
    Computer science professor Kilian Houston, working at the "House of Tomorrow", publishes the "Houston manifest", demanding more use of artificial intelligences for government and manager work. This is seen as criticism by the Socialist rulers and thus suppressed, but the idea becomes very popular among the Logos.

    1978: The worst case of smog so far in London (there are rumors that more than 10,000 people died) forces the government to implement measures for the ecology, finally. (There's less individual traffic ITTL Britain, but OTOH they use more coal than oil or gas.)

    1980: The Block finally launches its permanently manned space station, called Socialism. While it's very prestigious, and the research work goes well, some people point out that the results could also be acquired by more spionage via the Weltsystem.

    Canada and Pacific:
    1970s: Canadian technicians develop drones for the military - which Canada with its low population base needs more than the other powers. (Most of them are used at sea.)

    1971: A flood in Annam kills about 100,000 people. China uses the opportunity to spread its influence when they help.

    1973: In the province of Quebec (which is most of OTL Ontario!), there's unrest among the French-speakers.

    1974: When the chaos in the are of OTL Burma makes Canada's position in Annam, Thailand and Lan Xang (OTL Laos) too shaky, Canada leaves these countries - its influence replaced by China.

    1977: Canadian commonwealth officials are concerned that China might expand its influence into Kambuja, Vietnam and Melaka.

    Atlantean Chaos:
    1970: Ancash earthquake kills more than 50,000 people in Peru.

    1973: The famiglia "government" of Potosi (southern half of the Andes) reports that Socialists coming from the small republic Aymaria (OTL southern Chile/Argentine, traditionally friendly with the Red Pirates) tries to infiltrate the country.

    1976: The technocrat for the occupied areas finds out that the Mexican immigrants in occupied Texas now form the strongest population group there (the others being: Germans, Italians, Spaniards, Blacks, Atlanteans).

    1979: Cocaine smuggling from South Atlantis starts big style.

    Russian / Eastern European Chaos:
    1972: The terrorist group 121 (its name is a reminiscence to the victorious battle against the Germans 121 years ago) is founded in Moscow.

    1973: The Steppe republic (roughly OTL Inner Mongolia, Tuva and some areas around) officially becomes a Chinese tributary, which is to their advantage.

    1974: Surprisingly, the Socialists manage to take power in Greece, which immediately declares to join the Socialist Block. Germany can't interfere. However, the latest expansion is a drain on the Block's power, since the country is poor and lacks a strong economy.

    1977: Vlachian SF author Mircea Savu surprises the world with a satirical novel playing in a galaxy made up not from a few monolithic empires, but a lot of independent small states (Imagine this as a mixture of Stanislaw Lem and Douglas Adams. ITTL, for unclear reasons a lot of good SF comes from the Balcan states). Although he also describes Socialist and Socialist-leaning states, the novel manages to pass the German censorship, since those states aren't depicted exactly positively.

    Indian Chaos:
    1970: The Bhola cyclone kills some hundred thousand people in Benghal (OTL Bangladesh). At least, for a few years the wars in the area end.

    1972: Twenty years after Chandramoorthy's death, his followers manage to take power in Puducherry, which is now dubbed by some "the second Vijayanagar" (we remember, this means "city of the victor").

    1974: In Bhojapal, a university for Artificial Intelligence is founded.

    1979: China starts infiltrating Punjab, Assam.

    African Chaos:
    1968-72: Sahel drought continues.

    1971: The Igbo people in OTL Nigeria start to form the center of resistance against German presence in the Niger area.

    1974/75: Irish-Catholics and Coptic Christians clash in former Ethiopia. The Jews and Muslims are caught between the fronts. Greater Judea decides to interfere and evacuates the Falasha.

    1978: Uprisings in OTL Kenya/Uganda against Germans start. Many Germans (playing an important role as businessmen and such) flee to Australia (OTL South Africa).

    Middle Eastern Chaos:
    1970: At the Algerian coast, an Italian tanker going from Libya to Italia Nuova is damaged, losing more than 100,000 tons of oil, creating the biggest oil spill yet. (Note that German oil tankers are more secure because double hulls were introduced and soon made mandatory earlier, for fear of the Socialist pirates. Poorer states can't always afford this measure, however.)

    1973: Mahdi Sudan expands into destabilized Upper Egypt.

    1974: Socialists try to topple the Moroccan government, which would expand the Socialists' power onto the African continent. Germany manages to avoid this.

    1977: Socialists take power in Kurdistan, threaten Armenia and Azerbaijan, attempt to nationalize oil wells. Germany and Greater Judea interfere, seize Kirkuk and bomb the Kurds into submission.

    [post=1106145]Making of and standing to The Rules[/post]
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  12. Stalker Banned

    Nov 2, 2005
    Kiev, well, there be dragons...
    So, is it German-wank or China-wank after all?:cool:
  13. Constantinople Trump is Temporary, but hey, Brexit is forever Banned

    Mar 13, 2005
    I think if you have time, you should create a really good culture/linguist map. Be quite cool.
  14. Max Sinister Retired Myriad Club Member

    Jan 15, 2004
    The Chaos TL
    Bumped because I added the bit about the Chaos nations.

    @Stalker: The two are definitely the strongest states on Earth - China has the bigger population, but Germany has (yet) the better educated population, and indirectly controls most of the Earth outside East Asia, especially on the seas.

    Otherwise - just note that the TL isn't over yet. :cool:

    @Constantinople: I'll do sometime in the future.

    But first, here's The world, 1980-90:

    1980s: The developing nanotechnology and AI leads to an improved economy in the developed nations, but also to further rising unemployment. (During the decade, it'll break the 25% barrier in Germany, and many people will spend their days with drugs, television or computers.)

    1980: Olympic Games in Krakow.

    1982: Germany sends the first astronauts to Mars.

    1983: A strange new disease, which is dubbed "Erworbenes ImmunSchwäche-Syndrom", short EISS, pronounced like "Ice" (OTL Aids!) starts to take its toll in Germany. Gays and drug addicts face persecution. This even includes influential persons.

    1985: After more than five decades, Germany gets the first nation-wide free elections. The military still holds a lot of power, as do the corporates and the police.

    1987: The first book of the series "Sebastian der Zauberer" (Sebastian the sorceror - TTL's Harry Potter equivalent, as it seems) is published.

    1988: Germany finishes the "Schwarm" (swarm) - clouds of artificial insects guarding its borders, especially to the Socialist Block. Now, noone without comparable nanotechnology can cross their borders.

    1981: Computer chips have reached the physical limit: They can't be improved anymore by making the transistors yet smaller. Chinese hardware producers react by introducing 3D-chips, which soon leads to the replacement of CD- and DVD-like media by "data cubes" - as the name says, cubes in the size of about one cubic inch, with a polished surface gleaming in all colors of the rainbow.

    1983: China's team reaches Mars, two months later than the Germans.

    1984: Olympic Games in Edo (occupied Nippon). Although the Chinese government had intended to demonstrate that Nippon was successfully pacified, the contrary happens: The visitors from the world have the impression that the Nipponese are oppressed, or were displaced. Radical Nipponese-in-exile organisations gain support.

    1987: China starts to build up an army (incl. navy and airforce) in SE Asia. Canada isn't too happy about this.

    1989: Surprisingly, the Chinese emperor suggests Germany to start to scrap their nuclear weapons. The point is, however: Meanwhile both states have strong nanotech arsenals which have a higher potential than nukes.

    Socialist Block:
    1981: Technical laboratories of Milan develop the "Zanzara" - artificial insects, which are used to spy in Germany. It takes some time until they're discovered, which gives the Socialists lots of useful knowledge.

    1984: French Socialists accuse the Italians of using the Zanzara system to spy out not just Germany, but also others parts of the Block. This leads to some infighting behind the stage.
    Italians mourn the 40th anniversary of the Verona bomb.

    1986: For the first time, the states of the Socialist Block are allowed to participate in a football (for Americans: what you call soccer) world championship. The "Reds" do unexpectedly well, despite the fact that German athletes are helped with the wonders of modern medicine. In the half finals, England defeats Texas 2-0, while Bavaria beats Argentinien 1-0 (the old German lands and western European states have survived in the sport championships, if nowhere else); and when England defeats Bavaria 7:6 after penalties (3:3, 2:2, 0:1), the surprise (or shock) is perfect. The German Technocrat for Inner affairs and sports has to resign.

    1989: In the north of Scotland, there's a big fire. Germany suspects that a nanotechnological experiment done by the Socialists went awry, and they had to burn the whole area because they knew no other solution. This leads to many discussion about and fear of a "Braunschleim" scenario (German for "brown slime", with the same meaning as OTL Grey Goo).

    Canada and Pacific:
    1980s: The Indies become another hotbed of piracy, after the Pacific region had been spared mostly by the Red Pirates. These new pirates are mostly Nipponese in exile in the Indies or Antipodia (OTL Australia), and target Chinese ships. The big difference: While the Red pirates try to get ransom for caught people (if they're rich) or try to win them for their cause (if they're poor), the Nipponese usually kill every Chinese they can put their hands on.

    1982: Canada starts a program to further develop low populated areas of the Indies (like Papua, Kalimantan, Sumatra, and Sulawesi).

    1986: As planned, the referendum on OTL Philippines takes place, to decide whether to stay in the Canadian Commonwealth or reunite with China. The pro-Chinese groups expect an overhwelming victory. On referendum day, however, they get just 64%, thus fail to get the needed two-thirds majority. Since only a part of the upper and middle class prefers Canada over China, it is generally assumed that the Canadian technocrats rigged the (electronic) vote.

    1988: Irish-Catholic pope Patricius XII elected.

    1989: Canada stations more men, ships and nanotech in the Indies, reacting on the Chinese threat in SE Asia.


    [post=1126118]The boy
    A joke[/post]
    [post=1138584]The big guy
    A song[/post]
    [post=1162631]The lesbian[/post]


    Just finishing this post, then one more post for the last years, and another one to conclude the TL... it took me about a year, but soon it'll be over, and it'll be good, cause I'll have climbed the Mount Everest of AH!
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  15. Max Sinister Retired Myriad Club Member

    Jan 15, 2004
    The Chaos TL
    Atlantean Chaos:
    1981: Mexico and California enter a confederation.

    1985: OTL Nevado del Ruiz volcano erupts, killing more than 20,000 people.

    1986: Germany uses nanotechnology to destroy the cocaine plantations in OTL Colombia.
    Braseal now has had German occupation troops for 30 years, but it seems they're going to stay even longer. (The civilian German government made the suggestion to retreat, but the diplomats and the military are against it.)

    1989: Germany gives independence to OTL Cuba (since WW1, they've controlled all the Caribbean islands).

    Russian / Eastern European Chaos:
    1980s: Russian drug lords start to produce amphetamines and other drugs which are smuggled to Germany.

    1984: German spies report that the republic of Yenisseisk, the former capital of proud Novorossiya, seems to become a Chinese satellite too.

    1985: An uprising in Itil (OTL Astrachan) against Choresm, which is China's ally. Ironically, the Germans have to help them, since they don't want China's influence to spill over to Europe. So Itil is now free again, but the Russian governments is split between westerners and Chunkvophiles (we'd call them Sinophiles).

    1988: Centennial Olympic Games return to Athens.
    An earthquake in Armenia kills 25,000 people; government has to retreat the army from Azerbaijan.

    Indian Chaos:
    1981: Several South Indian states decide to cooperate more. This doesn't sound like much, but in fact the cooperation goes very far - they just don't fully unite to decept the Germans.

    1983: The Indian subcontinent now has more than a billion people.

    1988: Followers of Chandramoorthy decide to enter the nanotech business.

    1989: A stock crash in India throws the economy in turmoil.

    African Chaos:
    1982: Germany is caught in a costly guerilla war in the Niger delta, having to protect the oil sources there.

    1984: Germany leaves the area of Kenya/Uganda/Tansania, just leaves a small presence in the harbors.

    1987: A German ship is captured near the coast of OTL Liberia by an all-black pirate crew - apparently the Africans learned something from the Red pirates.

    1989: Clashes between Tutsi soldiers and German citizens in Katanga.

    Middle Eastern Chaos:
    1981: In Greater Judea, the first brain-computer-interface becomes available.

    1983-85: "Gulf War" (however, it's more of a civil war, with more than two sides) at the Arabian peninsula.

    1986: Surprisingly, the various splinter states on Persian territory find together and unite.

    1988: Some Irish-Catholic missionaries are killed in Yemen.
  16. Constantinople Trump is Temporary, but hey, Brexit is forever Banned

    Mar 13, 2005
    Weird how great Russia was as compared to OTL, but I guess things never can turn out well for the Russians, or the Italians apparently.
  17. Max Sinister Retired Myriad Club Member

    Jan 15, 2004
    The Chaos TL
    If I ever should redo this TL, Russia might do better. But this time, I maybe favored Germany somewhat, also because I'm more familiar with German peculiarities - otherwise writing stories would be very difficult, if they're set in a world where everyday life is as Russian-influenced as OTL is influenced by English and US-American culture.

    First a little Retcon: About the Caliphate and the assassins

    1239: Choresm Shah Jalal-ad-Din marries his daughter Khadiya to his puppet Caliph.

    1363: Caliphate in Baghdad abolished by Shiites; Seljuks now claim the Caliph title for themselves / their Abbasid puppets.

    Since 1400: Shiite rulers of Persia start persecuting the Ismailite minority. The Assassins fight back, but have lost their edge.

    1528: Pashtun ruler of Persia attacks and defeats the last Ismailite strongholds. The Assassins are history.


    The world, 1990-93:

    1990: After the elections, Germany cancels its planned manned mission to the Asteroid Belt. The Logos are disappointed.

    1992: Olympic Games in Paradies (OTL Rio de Janeiro).

    May 1993: Singer Anjaka rises to the top of the charts with her new album.

    June 1993: The newest fad: Clothes which change the color.

    1990: China and Germany sign the VAR (Vertrag zur Abrüstung der Raketenarsenale - treaty about disarmament of rocket arsenals), starting to scrap their nuclear weapons.

    1991: First former military base for nuclear weapons closed.

    June 1993: The Chinese court gossips about the discord between the emperor and his adoptive son. It seems that for the first time in the history of the adoptive emperors, the emperor might rethink his choice for succession.

    Socialist Block:
    1991: Britain celebrates the 150th anniversary of the Socialist Revolution.

    1992: The German Socialists start to install a lot of mini-cameras and bugs in public places to surveil the population even more and find out possible troublemakers. Unfortunately, after a few weeks things turn out awry - they'd have to arrest at least 10% of the people, and the speech recognition software still has mistakes.

    July 1993: A corruption scandal in Greece leads to big protests in Athens and Thessaloniki.

    Canada and Pacific:
    1990: San Raiden Akiyama founds a new resistance group, called "Sōka Gakkai" (Value-Creation Society), among the Japanese in Indonesia. (The title "San" is used similarly as Spanish "Don" among Nipponese, as is the custom to put the personal name before the family name, caused by the strong Spanish influence.)

    1991: Explosion of OTL Mount Pinatubo, Philippines. China wants to send helpers, which Canada forbids for the fear that they might come for other purposes.

    1992: The Olympic committee decides to celebrate the Olympic Games of 1996 in Fort Knox (OTL Singapore). This further complicates the conflict between China and Canada (and thus, indirectly, Germany).

    Atlantean Chaos:
    1991: Confederation between California and Mexico breaks apart again. Many people blame the Germans for it, although this time they're wrong.

    1992: Race riots in Roma Nuova.

    1993: Jacques "le Duc" Jessamy is elected first black premier of Louisiana. This leads to diplomatic conflicts with Italia Nuova.

    Russian / Eastern European Chaos:
    1990: Various Balcan states start talking about closer cooperation (it's the third time after WW2 that they try - until now, their plan always failed).

    1991: "The quiet before the storm": Nothing special happens during this year, but the Russians suspect that something might happen soon.

    1992: War between Choresm and an alliance of several Uralian, western Siberian and Volga statelets breaks out. Although the Russians have the stronger military and highly motivated soldiers, they have to fight with the problem that during the war several statelets change sides or otherwise sabotage the Russian coalition's efforts.

    Indian Chaos:
    1991: Cyclone hits Bangladesh, killing more than 100,000 people.

    1992: Indian groups resist China trying to win influence in the heavily populated Ganges valley. Even Germany supports them, saying that "China's influence mustn't cross either the Volga or the Ganges".

    1993: A young Indian Logo (and follower of Chandramoorthy) becomes famous (although only his first name, Shekhar, is known to the public) when he hacks the computer of the mayor of Goa and publishes the information (very effectively, using all the electronic billboards of the city), so the mayor has to resign under the pressure of the public, and the city subsequently joins the South Indian confederation (a group of small states in Southern and Central India more or less dominated by the network of Chandramoorthy's followers). Although the full story is more complicated, he is hailed as if he single-handedly brought down the unpopular government.

    African Chaos:
    1990: German ships are attacked by Socialist pirates coming from Inhambane (OTL Mozambique). The Germans are in sorrow because it seems that the "Red Piracy" now spread to East Africa too.

    1991: "Greater Somalia" proclaimed at the Horn of Africa.

    1993: Matthew "Good Luck" Igali, son of a canteen staff woman working in Britain, returns to his home in OTL Nigeria and takes power, forming a Socialist republic. Germany immediately interferes to topple him, but he can hold out so far.

    Middle Eastern Chaos:
    1990: Socialist agents caught by officials of Italian North Africa when trying to smuggle arms to radical Muslim insurrectionists.

    1992: Greater Judea abolishes the restrictions placed on the Irish-Catholic church until then.

    June 1993: The biggest dam at river Tigris in Mesopotamia is destroyed by suicide attackers, leading to a great flood along the river, several hundred thousand dead people and chaos in the whole region.

    The crisis:
    13. 7. 1993: Akiyama's group kidnaps a plane (an old-fashioned model without AI), flies to Shanghai, knowing that the emperor is there. The plane hits the summer palace, killing the emperor, several hundred members of the staff, the seven kidnappers and the passengers and the crew of the plane.

    14. 7. 1993: Akiyama presents a video message to the world, claiming the responsibility for the attack on Shanghai and protests against the Chinese occupation of Nippon.
    Later that day: The new emperor (the fifth adoptive one) is furious. For the beginning, several responsible air controllers and airforce officers are executed "for neglecting their duties". But this is just the beginning.
    Even later that day: Various interest groups associated with the flight industry suggest a law that makes an AI controller for airplanes mandatory, which is fervently discussed by the public.

    15. 7. 1993: The new emperor demands from Canada that they allow the Chinese police, which he wants to be supported by the military, to search for bases of Sōka Gakkai in the Indies. Although Canada agrees with most of the demands, they don't accept Chinese troops on Commonwealth soil.
    Later that day: The defense condition of the Chinese occupation troops in Nippon is pushed up to the highest level save for open war. The troops start to crack down on any Nipponese even distantly appearing suspicious.

    16. 7. 1993: Some generals and bureaucrats who want to win the emperor's favor demand that not only Canada shall allow the Chinese army to search in Indonesia for Akiyama's followers, but also demand the return of the OTL Philippines to China.
    Later that day: The emperor orders that a special task force (with strong AI and nanotech components) is made ready for the search after Akiyama's group.

    17. 7. 1993: Canadian government declares that while they're willing to search Indonesia to find the culprits, they definitely exclude the possibility of Chinese military on the ground of Canada's commonwealth members, or reducing their influence in the area around China in any other way.
    Later that day: To confuse the situation, the Taoiseach of Tir Tairngire and the Irish-Catholic pope protest against the imperialism of the superpowers (and thus, against the German presence in western Antipodia [OTL Australia]).

    18. 7. 1993: Oberster Technokrat Slezak declares that he (and thus, Germany) firmly sides with Canada.
    Later that day: The special task force for the raid on Sōka Gakkai has been assembled in China and is officially ready to strike.

    19. 7. 1993: Raiden Akiyama presents another video message, claiming that his group is ready to undertake further strikes against China. The emperor immediately orders to mobilize the army to guard China's (and its satellites') borders.
    Later that day: Canadian soldiers in Fort Knox observe that China has mobilized its nanoswarms. Canada immediately starts to do the same, just in case.

    Meanwhile in Nippon, more than hundred thousand people have been interned by the Chinese, and there have been at least several hundred dead. Unfortunately, among the interned are also the Nipponese relatives of some influential Germans.

    20. 7. 1993: Germany starts to mobilize its troops. Their men (and AIs) on (and in) the computers closely observe the Weltsystem for Chinese activities; their nanoswarms are also activated.
    Later that day: The Chinese emperor demands that Germany and Canada undo their mobilization and repeats his demands that the Chinese task force may search for Sōka Gakkai in the Indies. Germany and Canada are willing to demobilize if China does the same, but otherwise keep their position. Plus, they want a better treatment for the mentioned Nipponese.
    Even later that day: Near Kamchatka, a German and a Chinese nanoswarm clash. Fortunately, thanks to a Sinophile Russian helper of the Germans the situation can be kept under control. But the message is passed on on both sides, and all the militaries fear that the next incident may lead to World War Three.

    Next post will be the last one for the TL! Be excited!

    [post=1169710]The current Top 10 charts list in Germany (1993)
    Development of the German-Chinese relationship[/post]
    [post=1179606]Various stuff from Chaos TL's popular culture (five texts)[/post]
    [post=1193353]The lesbian, the big guy and the boy are back...[/post]
    Last edited: Aug 3, 2007
  18. Max Sinister Retired Myriad Club Member

    Jan 15, 2004
    The Chaos TL
    20. 7. 1993, 20:43:07 (Central European summer time): Start of World War Three. No politician, or rather, technocrat, ever officially declared war, but the mobilization in Germany and China started, and after it had begun, the military wouldn't stop their nanoswarms, fearing that they wouldn't be ready anymore if the other side decided to strike first.

    20. 7. 1993, 23:51:86 (yes, ITTL the minute has 100 seconds, deal with it): World War Three is over. It didn't really take long, but the world will never be again as it was before.

    What? That's it! The TL is over! What do you expect? Move along, nothing to see here.

    Don't stop reading yet, folks! You want to read the epilogue? [post=1210410]Here[/post] are the thoughts of some people while the war happened...
    Last edited: Aug 15, 2007
  19. Aozhouhuaren Proud Ostrich Rider

    Nov 22, 2006
    Beeliar Prefecture, Whadjuk Province, Nyoongar
    ^A minute has more than 60 seconds?!:eek:Since when? :D:rolleyes:

    Come on. Max, thats bullshit, you can't end such a beautiful timeline like that. It's like a crappy 30 second movie ending of a game you spent hundreds of hours of effort on, unlocking everything possible and doing the shittiest little thing just to get more percentage on game completion.
  20. JP_Morgan is gone(for good?)

    Feb 24, 2006
    hopefully Austin TX(the future)
    I agree. That's a terrible ending.:p:mad: