Chaos: The Presidential Election of 1996

You're right, something has to be done with Buchanan. Secretary of State would seem to be the poisition he would be entitled to as Dole's running mate, but Dole isn't going to do that (remember Dole doesn't really like Buchanan but was talked into picking him by the party bosses).

Ambassador to the U.N? (Just kidding). Actually, your idea of making him an ambassador to some place where ambassadors don't matter sounds good, but that may not be enough for him.

See, the idea of putting Buchanan into any senior diplomatic position seems like a punchline. He would have a claim on State, you're right, but his views are well outside the mainstream of the party. His only real claim on the Republican base is social conservatism, and there's no Secretary of Bedrooms. The Holy See would be suited to his ultra-Catholicism and it's a reasonably high-stature position.

Maybe give him a cabinet post that no one cares about. Transportation? Interior? Energy?

Well, it can't look like a snub. Does Buchanan even have views on transportation or energy? Secretary of Labor seems to suit his interests best, but again: he needs to be acceptable to the party as a whole. Still, if he shuts up and spends his time simply throwing red meat to working-class voters he could be quite effective in Labor.

Everyone let me know what you think about this.

I'm really glad you've resumed this -- one of my favourite TLs on the board, and it just gets more interesting every week. New updates eagerly awaited.
 
Why would Arlen Specter be Secretary of the Interior? Attorney General makes more sense.

ya you're right, but i'm a Mainer so i had to put up McKernan for on of the big four.

any way thoughts on the Dole cabinet. any way if Dole is going to try and save the GOP and get him self elected he's going to need an union cabinet thusly these thing are going to be the litmus test

1) moderate/liberal Republicans: the Country voted for a Moderate and a liberal over Conservative Dole
2) Washington outsiders: no one who voted for Dole in House or was Pro-Dole in the Senate can be seen to gain for their vote, also faces not seen to have played a roll in the election
3) Powell backers: any one who stumped for Powell is gold, it'll help bring the GOP back together
4) Democrats: any Democrats are good, members of the out going Cabinet are the best, Clinton and Gore will likely be offered Secretary of State and Hillary Attorney General which they'd turn down.

on the other (more fun) side Dole feels that he's unelectable and says "the hell with it" and puts together a deep right Nut house that spends the Next 4 years doing all kinds of crazy stuff
 

Jasen777

Donor
From: An Electoral History of the United States

It has often been said, and with considerable truth, that the outcome of the mid-term election in 1998 was determined as soon as the House voted Dole into the Presidency. Democrats had been eagerly looked forward to 1998, expecting to ride a wave of public discontent into congressional power. Optimistic predictions of a gain of 9 seats in the Senate in 70 seats in the House were made.

It was true that the public was upset with House Republicans for giving Dole the Presidency, and that the Democrats had cause for optimism. In hindsight however, it is easy to see that their predictions were overly optimistic. After all, it was Powell who had won a plurality of the popular vote, so while there was widespread anger at Republicans, it did not transfer into increase support for Democrats in every race.

Foreign policy issues also came to impact the election. Most notably, the African Embassy bombings carried out by Osama bin Laden's terrorist organization. Dole came under criticism for his failure to prevent the attacks and his subsequent failure to capture those responsible. Opinion was divided on his launch of missiles at suspected terrorist camps. Some applauded the move and called for more action, whereas other criticized his choice of targets, saying that he blew up an aspirin factory. All of this may have seen a rally to the flag affect that benefited Republicans, but the polling data is unclear on this…

When all the races were counted up, the Democrats did indeed pick up many seats, albeit not as many as they were hoping for. They gained 46 seats in the House and 5 seats in the Senate. Although impressive, this disappointed many Democrats, as it did not match the gains made by the Republicans in 1994. Nevertheless, the Democrats now controlled the House with a majority of 261-174. The Senate became deadlocked at 50 seats for each party.

It is thought that perhaps the biggest reason the Democratic victory wasn't even larger was the number of people who ran as "Powell Republicans" and were able to keep their seats. This may have been what started the grassroots effort to draft Powell to run for the Republicans in 2000….

From: the autobiography of Dick Morris

Powell and I had several long talks in July of 1998. I convinced him that he could win the Presidency, but that he would have to have the backing of one of the major parties. Of the two options, the Republicans seemed the most open to the idea…

You may have heard that the "Draft Powell" movement was a grassroots one. I won't tell you any different. What I will tell you is that it takes a lot of work to generate a grassroots movement…

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From: the autobiography of Dick Morris

Powell and I had several long talks in July of 1998. I convinced him that he could win the Presidency, but that he would have to have the backing of one of the major parties. Of the two options, the Republicans seemed the most open to the idea…

You may have heard that the "Draft Powell" movement was a grassroots one. I won't tell you any different. What I will tell you is that it takes a lot of work to generate a grassroots movement…

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Good Update...Im still skeptical that Morris and a Grassroots organization will cause Powell to change his mind to run again for the GOP(Whom the Party elders made it very clear that they didn't want him in TTL). I still think the most likely scenario to me is Dole deciding to run again with a young Neocon(Possibly W or even Alan Keyes) as VP to reassure to the base, and the Dem's probably nominate their first African American Candidate to reasure it's base without a Powell in the Race...
 
Well, it can't look like a snub. Does Buchanan even have views on transportation or energy? Secretary of Labor seems to suit his interests best, but again: he needs to be acceptable to the party as a whole. Still, if he shuts up and spends his time simply throwing red meat to working-class voters he could be quite effective in Labor.
Doing what? :confused:
 
Doing what? :confused:

An idiomatic phrase (anachronistic for the 1990s) to describe populist tactics, either by making ideological attacks on an opponent or by digging into specifics. In the current election campaign, pundits are using it to describe, for example, Rudi Guilianni's speech to the RNC which detailed a host of attack against the Democrats.
 
An idiomatic phrase (anachronistic for the 1990s) to describe populist tactics, either by making ideological attacks on an opponent or by digging into specifics. In the current election campaign, pundits are using it to describe, for example, Rudi Guilianni's speech to the RNC which detailed a host of attack against the Democrats.
Oh... I see. I was thinking something to do with sharks, for some reason... throwing red meat, Jaws, sharks. :D
 

Jasen777

Donor
Good Update...Im still skeptical that Morris and a Grassroots organization will cause Powell to change his mind to run again for the GOP(Whom the Party elders made it very clear that they didn't want him in TTL).

Republican Party leaders didn't really reject Powell, they didn't particularly reach out to him but that's not the same thing. It was mostly Powell looked at the polls and realized that in '96 he couldn't beat Dole in the Republican primaries (nor was it likely he could challenge a sitting president for the Democratic nomination).
 

maverick

Banned
Too bad...I wanted to see him going for a limited war in Africa or Afghanistan after Tanzania or the USS Cole...

On the other hand, Dole might want to kill Bin Laden when he had the chance in 1998, although If Clinton considered the operation to be too costful and dangerous (there were some Arab princes in the Bin Laden Kandahar compound when the operation was about to be launched)

Just an idea, depends on whether Dole would risk it or not...

Check the documentary "On Native Soil" for more information...


In 1998, Clinton appointed Richard Clarke—who until then served in a drugs and counter-terrorism division of the CIA—to lead an interagency comprehensive counter-terrorism operation, the Counter-terrorism Security Group (CSG). The goal of the CSG was to "detect, deter, and defend against" terrorist attacks. Additionally, Clinton appointed Clarke to sit on the cabinet-level Principals Committee when it met on terrorism issues.[31]
Clinton’s Counter-terrorism Center began drafting a plan to ambush bin Laden’s compound in Kandahar. The CIA mapped the compound and identified the houses of bin Laden’s wives and the location where he most likely slept. The plan was relatively simple, at least on paper. Tribals would “subdue” the guards, enter the compound, take bin Laden to a desert outside Kandahar, and hand him over to another group of tribals. This second group would carry him to a desert landing strip—which had already been tested—where a CIA plane would take him to New York for arraignment. When they completed a draft plan, they ran through two rehearsals in the United States.[39] Confident that the plan would work, the Counter-terrorism Center of the CIA sought the approval of the White House. While they acknowledged that the plan was risky, they stated that there was “a risk in not acting” because “sooner or later, bin Laden will attack U.S. interests, perhaps using WMD.”[40]
Clarke reviewed the plans for Sandy Berger, the National Security Director, and told him that it was in the “very early stages of development” and stressed the importance of only targeting bin Laden, not the entire compound. The NSC told the CIA to begin preparing the necessary legal documents to execute the raid.[41]
The senior management of the CIA was skeptical of the plan, and despite objections, canceled the operation, fearing that the risk to their operatives and financial costs were too high. It is unclear whether or not Clinton was aware of the plan.
 

Jasen777

Donor
I'll try to keep the drama queening to a minimum. :rolleyes:

I really only intended this to be a thought experiment of what could happen if Powell ran as an independent in 1996. He was the perfect man - moderate, well-respected by many. 1996 was the right time for him and perhaps the country, Perot's run in '92 would have helped to legitimized a serious third party independent run. I never really thought about writing what happened after that.

Anyways, I was wondering what people would prefer. That I keep my current style, with updates that will be far apart and not that great of a probability of getting far, or that I make a few quick updates in rush to and through the 2000 election.
 
I'll try to keep the drama queening to a minimum. :rolleyes:

I really only intended this to be a thought experiment of what could happen if Powell ran as an independent in 1996. He was the perfect man - moderate, well-respected by many. 1996 was the right time for him and perhaps the country, Perot's run in '92 would have helped to legitimized a serious third party independent run. I never really thought about writing what happened after that.

Anyways, I was wondering what people would prefer. That I keep my current style, with updates that will be far apart and not that great of a probability of getting far, or that I make a few quick updates in rush to and through the 2000 election.

Well, since you have already made it clear how much of a lameduck dole is, I think a few quick updates will sustain through the 2000 election and possibly longer updates to go in more depth for the next presidency.
 
The Lewinsky scandal happened in 1998-two years after Clinton was re-elected. Unless he had a time machine and took her back early, I don't see how it could have affected him :)
 

Jasen777

Donor
The events happened earlier. ITTL Morris broke the scandal earlier. Plus this forum isn't for discussing timelines. See the link at the beginning for the discussion thread.
 

Jasen777

Donor
To clarify: the Lewisnky affair took place from late '95 to early '96 in OTL. ITTL, it simply became news sooner.
 
I hope the 2000, 2004, and 2008 elections are just as confusing! Have a guy become president who came in last in the popular snag it by coming in first in the electoral! Have a redux of 96 but have the guy who won the popular vote win despite coming in last in the electoral (because they don't want to upset everyone)! there's so much fun stuff you could do, each election will be a mini constitutional crisis!
 
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