Challenge: War Plan Red Happens

The scenario is higly unlikley, unless the USA is struck by a revolution, simmilar to the Russian Revolution and becomes a Communist, or even Fascist State. The UK cannot do so, as she is linked to Japan. Therefore, it would need two different radical shifts (both in the UK and Japan), rather than one.

If something like this happens, the possibility of war, according to the pre-revolution plans is still unlikely, given the chanced political and military conditions. Most likely the Revolution will first weaken the stricken state, before it stabelizes and can regain its power more or less.
 
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The scenario is higly unlikley, unless the USA is struck by a revolution, simmilar to the Russian Revolution and becomes a Communist, or even Fascist State. The UK cannot do so, as she is linked to Japan. Therefore, it would need two different radical shifts (both in the UK and Japan), rather than one.

If something like this happens, the possibility of war, according to the pre-revolution plans is still unlikely, given the chanced political and military conditions. Most likely the Revolution will first weaken the stricken state, before it stabelizes and can regain its power more or less.
Groan! Revolution? Based on what? In one of the most affluent periods in US history? Sorry cousins, but the Revolution is far more likely in a world with an all-out Central Powers victory with no US entry into WWI. I mean to the UK. How this might happen I cannot say. My own knowledge of British history at this time is too scant. But I'm afraid Plan Red, for this world or anything like it, is just too ASB.:eek:
 
Have a little admiral scenario where Hitler focuses on the Navy, which eventually leads to him conquering Britain in a successful sealion. After Canada submits to British puppet rule, the US government freaks out and occupies Canada.
 
After Canada submits to British puppet rule, the US government freaks out and occupies Canada.

Highly unlikely outcome. The Queen and Churchill all had plans to relocate to Canada if the UK fell. Even if they didn't make it one of the monarchs heirs would have somehow.
Even if the monarchy were lost completely Canada would not have submitted. Probably would have been like shooting a bear with a BB Gun, just would have made the fight after all the more nasty.
 
British-Canadian Victory is not all that unlikely. the US Army Wargamed WPR in... the 30s I think, and the "Canadians" won a tactical victory, managing to hold off the "Americans" for a while, until reinforcements arived, on both sides. This even without Defence Scheme 1! pretty good going, I think. I could be wrong though.
 

MacCaulay

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British-Canadian Victory is not all that unlikely. the US Army Wargamed WPR in... the 30s I think, and the "Canadians" won a tactical victory, managing to hold off the "Americans" for a while, until reinforcements arived, on both sides. This even without Defence Scheme 1! pretty good going, I think. I could be wrong though.

That's what happened. But there certain amendments made after that to try and cut Canada off from outside reinforcement. Chemical gas bombing of Halifax, even a pseudo-blitzkrieg to capture Winnipeg and cut the Trans-Canadian Railroad. That would effectively cut off the industrial heartland in Ontario from reinforcement in either direction.


And one thing some folks don't often think about: if this had happened in the late-1910s or even very early 1920s, with the rest of history going as it did in OTL, we probably wouldn't have even had to bomb Halifax. The Halifax Explosion in 1917 would probably have done all our damage for us when an ammunition ship and a fuel tanker ran into each other and set off the (then) largest artifical non-nuclear explosion in the history of man.
 

Markus

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That makes operation S...n look easy. First, the USA and the British Empire had no issues after WW1, second even if, the Empire could not affort another major war, not even an arms race with the US, third the Anglo-Japanese alliance was dead by this time as the Japanese had not honored it in WW1.


Have a little admiral scenario where Hitler focuses on the Navy, which eventually leads to him conquering Britain in a successful sealion. After Canada submits to British puppet rule, the US government freaks out and occupies Canada.

*groan*

Like the UK will NOT react to a massive German naval rearmament!
They did so before WW1 and won by a big margin and after WW1 they have a huge head start. Plus, resources are finite. More for the Navy means less for the Army or LW. Bottom line: This has been done to death endless times and it just does not work.
 
Query could a different US administration have found itself rather hostile to the UK over the Blockade.

Imagine WW1 ending indecisively in 1916?

Now I think that Britain probably viewed China as 'backward'. (This is not my view but I can see that being sold to Brits) and Japan as a modernizing natural ally.

Now there were always elements in the US who were very sympathetic to China.

Assume that Japan decides to fight in ways less obscene than in OTL (and remember Japan treated German POWs in WW1 correctly in OTL)

I could imagine some kind of war over influence over China.
 
Blue and the Roundheads? Cavaliers and the Grey?

Query could a different US administration have found itself rather hostile to the UK over the Blockade.

Imagine WW1 ending indecisively in 1916?

Now I think that Britain probably viewed China as 'backward'. (This is not my view but I can see that being sold to Brits) and Japan as a modernizing natural ally.

Now there were always elements in the US who were very sympathetic to China.

Assume that Japan decides to fight in ways less obscene than in OTL (and remember Japan treated German POWs in WW1 correctly in OTL)

I could imagine some kind of war over influence over China.
Your comments about Germany are true, but Japan had no serious bones to pick with Germans. Also, there were still some threads of decent professionalism in the IJA in WWI. That certainly wasn't the case for WWII. The hatred the IJA officer corps had developed for the Chinese people (after so many years of war) was just fractionally less than Hitler's for Judaism.

Whatever happens between China and Japan, it will never bring the US and UK to blows. This is like theorizing a 2nd American OR English Civil War.:rolleyes:
 
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