Challenge: United Kingdom of Great Britain, Ireland and India

Population of people of GB&I descent in the world near 400 million. So thats a little flawed. Not quite the same figures.

So taking the population of the Indian subcontinent (India, Bangladesh, Pakistan and Sri Lanka) at roughly 2 billion plus around 21 million in the Indian diaspora (not including the Pakistani, Bangladeshi and Sri Lankan diasporae)...I think we still outweigh you guys :D

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I think we can play with the numbers here...

For starters, let's have Britian retain control of both North America and India. (Yes, I am ignoring the 1790 POD of the OP on purpose)

We could also have greater migrations into North America from Europe esp. Germany and Italy... just have them be disunited and war ravaged for longer, and let's say that NA also has the most progressive policy toward European Jews, and no discrimination against Catholic, Orthodox and Eastern European immigrants. And finally, no act excluding Chinese and Japanese from immigrating. Then Give them better fertility rates (probably with a form of protestanism with srong emphasis on procreation and "be fruitful and multiply" that trickles down to rest of society).

It will be massively helpful to avoid OTL wars (American Revolution, War of 1812, Civil War and the Indian Wars), with the corresponding results being better treatment of Natives and Freed Blacks, with slavery ending Earlier. No Trails of Tears, or Plague Blankets, no Wounded Knee, etc... so the native American population is higher too, and for the most part well-integrated through intermarriage to whites. No black emigration to Liberia, and better fertility rates among Blacks because of them being freed earlier.

On the Indian side of things, we can have the princely states excluded from the union (After all, they are merely protectorates) and have some annexed states on the fringes of the Raj (Sikh Empire, Sindh, what is now NWFP, Sikkim, Burma, Kashmir) left alone or as preotectorates-- essentially getting the same treatment as Nepal and Bhutan got OTL.

We can then, probably do a 50: 50 population balance of non-subcontinental and subcontinental peoples in this grand union of Great Britain, Ireland, North America and India. If we can have Indian middle classes sufficiently evangelized, modernized and English-speaking and a non-racist culture at large, then this might be a platable union for most people concerned.
 
Population of people of GB&I descent in the world near 400 million. So thats a little flawed. Not quite the same figures.

The population of people of GB&I descent in the world is not near 400M. If you use such a loose definition, the people in the world of Indian descent is way over 2B. And in any case, what difference does it make? Only 68M live in GB&I. Even is you add Canada, Australia, & NZ, you still only have 130M.
 
I think we can play with the numbers here...

For starters, let's have Britian retain control of both North America and India. (Yes, I am ignoring the 1790 POD of the OP on purpose)

We could also have greater migrations into North America from Europe esp. Germany and Italy... just have them be disunited and war ravaged for longer, and let's say that NA also has the most progressive policy toward European Jews, and no discrimination against Catholic, Orthodox and Eastern European immigrants. And finally, no act excluding Chinese and Japanese from immigrating. Then Give them better fertility rates (probably with a form of protestanism with srong emphasis on procreation and "be fruitful and multiply" that trickles down to rest of society).

It will be massively helpful to avoid OTL wars (American Revolution, War of 1812, Civil War and the Indian Wars), with the corresponding results being better treatment of Natives and Freed Blacks, with slavery ending Earlier. No Trails of Tears, or Plague Blankets, no Wounded Knee, etc... so the native American population is higher too, and for the most part well-integrated through intermarriage to whites. No black emigration to Liberia, and better fertility rates among Blacks because of them being freed earlier.

On the Indian side of things, we can have the princely states excluded from the union (After all, they are merely protectorates) and have some annexed states on the fringes of the Raj (Sikh Empire, Sindh, what is now NWFP, Sikkim, Burma, Kashmir) left alone or as preotectorates-- essentially getting the same treatment as Nepal and Bhutan got OTL.

We can then, probably do a 50: 50 population balance of non-subcontinental and subcontinental peoples in this grand union of Great Britain, Ireland, North America and India. If we can have Indian middle classes sufficiently evangelized, modernized and English-speaking and a non-racist culture at large, then this might be a platable union for most people concerned.

If you've made them convert to Christianity and speak English, it's not really a non-racist culture, is it.
 
If you've made them convert to Christianity and speak English, it's not really a non-racist culture, is it.

Yes it would be. A world in which discrimination is based on such variable factors as language and culture would not be as lovely as one in which no discrimination at all existed (but we don't live on the Big Rock Candy Mountain). It would certainly be superior to OTL history is which discrimination has often been based on immutable factors of color and ancestry. Racism is only one form of prejudice and prejudice which is not based on skin color or ancestry isn't racism (it is admittedly still malign but again, these are human beings we're talking about, hating each other is what we do).
 
If you've made them convert to Christianity and speak English, it's not really a non-racist culture, is it.

The Indian middle class speaks English in OTL-- and the % of English speakers are growing. And Korea had a plurality of Christians despite never being colonized by a Christian power. So it is indeed do-able without resorting to a cultural-linguistic inquisition.

More to the point, I didn't say all of them had to convert / speak English... Just a large enough number so that a Grand Union with 50-50 balance of Indian and non-Indian populations will still be majority English-speaking and Christian, so that British Identity wouldn't feel that much threatened. It could work with as little as 10% of them (counting Anglo-Indian and mixed race) which not an unworkable number.

Yes, it wouldn't be a Utopia for Indians as the poster above me said... and I meant non-racist strictly in the sense of having no racial criteria for discrimination while it might have others.
 
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Yes it would be. A world in which discrimination is based on such variable factors as language and culture would not be as lovely as one in which no discrimination at all existed (but we don't live on the Big Rock Candy Mountain). It would certainly be superior to OTL history is which discrimination has often been based on immutable factors of color and ancestry. Racism is only one form of prejudice and prejudice which is not based on skin color or ancestry isn't racism (it is admittedly still malign but again, these are human beings we're talking about, hating each other is what we do).

Technically, it wouldn't be racism-lite anyway, it would be xenophobia. As soon as ethnic origin is gone as a factor of aggravation, it's not racism.
 
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