Challenge: Ummayad Tibet and Xinjang

Have Ummayad Caliphate manage to invade both Tibet and Sinkiang/Xinjang, bonus points if Ummayad Caliphate wages Jihad against China.
 
Have Ummayad Caliphate manage to invade both Tibet and Sinkiang/Xinjang, bonus points if Ummayad Caliphate wages Jihad against China.

So basically you want two empires which barely know each other to fight for your amusement. This is simply not feasible and beyond Ummayad boundaries. They had gone too far with spain in the west; they can't reach into Xinjiang and Tibet. Muslim rule in the area didn't even exist until after Talas and its solidification would have to wait till Timur.
 
So basically you want two empires which barely know each other to fight for your amusement. This is simply not feasible and beyond Ummayad boundaries. They had gone too far with spain in the west; they can't reach into Xinjiang and Tibet. Muslim rule in the area didn't even exist until after Talas and its solidification would have to wait till Timur.
The Eastern Edge of the Ummayads is near Tibet and Sinkiang actually so it is not ASB but difficult to happen.
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The Eastern Edge of the Ummayads is near Tibet and Sinkiang actually so it is not ASB but difficult to happen.

Good lord you are a blight to this forum.

The Ummayad power fades away the nearer you get to that green border. If you really think it will go from Damascus to Tibet and Xinjiang, a trip of at least a year and a half and with several mountain ranges in the way, little water in many places, fight all the Turks in the way, and then fight the Chinese force wondering where these bearded men with strange clothes came from, I cannot help you.
 
Good lord you are a blight to this forum.

The Ummayad power fades away the nearer you get to that green border. If you really think it will go from Damascus to Tibet and Xinjiang, a trip of at least a year and a half and with several mountain ranges in the way, little water in many places, fight all the Turks in the way, and then fight the Chinese force wondering where these bearded men with strange clothes came from, I cannot help you.

Thank you.
 
Good lord you are a blight to this forum.

The Ummayad power fades away the nearer you get to that green border. If you really think it will go from Damascus to Tibet and Xinjiang, a trip of at least a year and a half and with several mountain ranges in the way, little water in many places, fight all the Turks in the way, and then fight the Chinese force wondering where these bearded men with strange clothes came from, I cannot help you.

Well, is there anyway that we can have the Ummayad expansion focused more firmly on the east than the west. Perhaps a weaker Persia and a stronger Byzantium? Conquest of Egypt fails, but Persians collapse more readily. Incursions into Central Asia more numerous and earlier, could displace the Tang in Central Asia and get the area we know of as Xinjiang perhaps. That could lead quite naturally to a greater struggle with Tang forces. The conquest of Tibet seems more difficult, but probably not impossible.

More interesting, perhaps, would be greater early contact with an stronger Islamic presence in Central Asia seeing Islamicization of Tibet in general. Islam was successful in displacing Buddhism in other nearby regions, I don't think having it spread to Tibet would be too improbable. After that, then effects would be interesting. Possibly greater Islamic influence on China from an early stage, Tibetan Islamic influence on the Mongols and in Yunnan...
 
Tibet could surely Islamicize given an adequate POD. Buddhism was not very firmly established there in Umayyad time anyway, though I doubt that conversion can be massive so early. Outright Umayyad conquest of Tibet, on the other hand, is another story entirely and not one likely to be ever told in any TL with recognizable Umayyads. First of all, why bother? It's not like Tibet has really so many valuable things to justify long military campaings thousands of miles from home on one of the harshest terrains in the world. Xingjiang would be easier, though.
 
Regarding the modern area of Xinjiang, wasn't that area still inhabited by the (Indo-European) Tocharians, and not by (Turkic) Uighurs, since I think those arrived there only in the 9th century.
 
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