Challenge: Third Mexican Empire

With a POD after 1873 (so the Third French Republic has to be established), have another monarchy be established in Mexico. Bonus points if this one lasts more than a few years.
 
Huerta victorious in the revolution, coinciding with a German victory in WWI. He could establish a monarchical state, though in my opinion it would be dependent on a German victory in the First World War. It's certainly possible to have Huerta stay in power independent on WWI, but I doubt the USA would stand for an empire to its south, even though it supported Huerta at first.
 
Sorry but Americans tend to be bigoted in their singleminded Republicanism. They would see it as an insult for a monarchy to be established in "their hemisphere" *spits to side*.

You have two problems. One you need a leader who can hold the support of enough of Mexico's army and ppoulace to make a Third Empire work. Two, you need he Yankees either distracted or somehow unable to bully their way into things.

I do not know if Huerta could do the first, as for the second the only option that comes to mind would be for the British Empire to make clear that it supports the Mexican Empire. Possibly have the border dispute in South America hurt Anglo-Yankee relations enough that the British are eager to taqke a dump in Uncle Sam's backyard whern the opportuinty presents itself.
 
Sorry but Americans tend to be bigoted in their singleminded Republicanism. They would see it as an insult for a monarchy to be established in "their hemisphere" *spits to side*.

You have two problems. One you need a leader who can hold the support of enough of Mexico's army and ppoulace to make a Third Empire work. Two, you need he Yankees either distracted or somehow unable to bully their way into things.

I do not know if Huerta could do the first, as for the second the only option that comes to mind would be for the British Empire to make clear that it supports the Mexican Empire. Possibly have the border dispute in South America hurt Anglo-Yankee relations enough that the British are eager to taqke a dump in Uncle Sam's backyard whern the opportuinty presents itself.
That might work, but I am not sure. The US never had a problem "twisting the lions tale". But if the UK does that, it might push the US closer to the CP nations during WWI, which means all sorts of butterflies and war on the North American continent, on two fronts (3 if you include Alaska)
 
Sorry but Americans tend to be bigoted in their singleminded Republicanism. They would see it as an insult for a monarchy to be established in "their hemisphere" *spits to side*.

You have two problems. One you need a leader who can hold the support of enough of Mexico's army and ppoulace to make a Third Empire work. Two, you need he Yankees either distracted or somehow unable to bully their way into things.

I do not know if Huerta could do the first, as for the second the only option that comes to mind would be for the British Empire to make clear that it supports the Mexican Empire. Possibly have the border dispute in South America hurt Anglo-Yankee relations enough that the British are eager to taqke a dump in Uncle Sam's backyard whern the opportuinty presents itself.


Seeing as the US did not do so well when fighting the Mexicans (they lost battles while the entire MExico was in a civil war), I think that during a Mexican Civil War restoration the king would have half a chance.
 
Seeing as the US did not do so well when fighting the Mexicans (they lost battles while the entire MExico was in a civil war), I think that during a Mexican Civil War restoration the king would have half a chance.

I guess you never heard of the Mexican-American War when it came to 'not do so well when fighting the Mexicans'.

And by the POD the Americans would only get stronger and stronger compared to Mexico.
 
I guess you never heard of the Mexican-American War when it came to 'not do so well when fighting the Mexicans'.

And by the POD the Americans would only get stronger and stronger compared to Mexico.
I guess you haven't heard of the fact that what I am talking about is sixty years later. :rolleyes:

The Germans won the Franco-Prussian War. By the logic you used, Germany should have only gotten stronger and thus should have won the First World War.


I'm talking about the OTL Pancho Villa and the Battle of Carrizal. The US lost that. Not the Mexican War which took place seventy years before. :rolleyes:


But my point was that the Americans are not infallible when it comes to Mexico. With foreign backing, the Mexicans might have done better.
 
Porfirio Diaz establishes a constitutional monarchy with some member of the Bourbon family in 1884. He stays as president of government. He does so to counterbalance the growing influence of the USA.
 
I'm talking about the OTL Pancho Villa and the Battle of Carrizal. The US lost that. Not the Mexican War which took place seventy years before. :rolleyes:

But my point was that the Americans are not infallible when it comes to Mexico. With foreign backing, the Mexicans might have done better.

I think that is a bad example since the US was not in a formal state of war with the Mexican Government - tho the seizure of Veracruz could be considered in such a fashion - it was more of a police action against Villa. Pershing was hamstrung by all sorts of political problems originating in Washington. Also the campaign in general was bedeviled by technical problems as the Army figured out how to integrate new advances into its forces.
 
Huerta victorious in the revolution, coinciding with a German victory in WWI. He could establish a monarchical state, though in my opinion it would be dependent on a German victory in the First World War. It's certainly possible to have Huerta stay in power independent on WWI, but I doubt the USA would stand for an empire to its south, even though it supported Huerta at first.

If somehow Germany was victorious in the 1918 offensive, forcing a French surrender, then the AEF would simply evacuate itself from France [albeit with considerably higher casualties than it had suffered in OTL spring 1918] and sail home. Germany would be in no condition to go and get involved with Mexico, thus messing with the Monroe Doctrine, which would seriously piss off an unrepentant, unweakened USA. France might be comatose, England shattered, but you have hundreds of thousands of doughboys full of piss and vinegar, spoiling for revenge; no, I don't see Germany giving any Mexican empire any more than weak moral support.
I admit I don't know much about Huerta, Madero, Obregon, et al. but I do know that Mexico didn't have much tolerance for declared emperors. One could argue, I suppose, that Diaz was an undeclared one, but that led to the revolution in part anyway. Iturbide lasted less than a year, and Maximillian was forced on the populace at the end of French bayonets. Aah, for the good old days of Santa Anna!
 
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