Challenge: The stablest Balkans possible...

Alright, I think we all know that the Balkans (alongside Middle East and some parts of Africa) are considered the most chaotic/unstable place in the world.

The Challenge: Make the Balkans a prosperous and a stable region (eastern equivalent of Benelux, say), with any POD whatsoever after 1901.

The Catch: Ottoman Empire or Austro-Hungary (or Soviet Union) controlling the Balkans doesn't count.
 
Let's bring in the bats

Split the A-H empire. Unite all non german parts in a pan Slavic republic. From the resulting mess revolution and chaos leads to the united Slav republics that expand to incorporate all of the balkans. They enforce socialism with a human face and build a workers paradise in the Balkans. After they win a war against Russia and another against Germany other countries leave them alone and happy. Things only start to go badly when they convince other counties to join a crazy federation called the EU. When they lend too much money to the Greeks the EU economy enters a crisis of unpredictable consequences...:cool:
 
OK, lets start with no establishment of Yugoslavia after WWI. Have an independent Kingdom of Croatia (Slovenia independent or still part of Austria), Serbia+ Montenegro, Kosovo and Macedonia as OTL, and Bosnia probably divided between Serbia and Croatia, alternatively as a neutral buffer between them. Then just avoid large scale civil wars and you should get the desired result. Won't be particularly nice, and be more akin to 'slightly iffy neighbours' than BENELUX, but it'll certainly be stable.
 
A stab at it: have something like SHS kingdom work, namely, have its ruling group realize they are not simply running UberSerbia. Since the Serbian goverment had collapsed in WWI anyway, maybe something else can pop up, perhaps a Republican government were most groups feel they have a fair share. Then, have them neutral in WWII (avoiding the coup). Mussolini may still try something stupid, but Hitler may see no reason to bail him out.
 
I think there's two main things:

1. Avoid the creation of Yugoslavia in 1918 - this is going to require WWI to go in a different direction than in OTL (and probably quite significantly so).

2. If you can't avoid the creation of Yugoslavia, then avoid the absolute insanity that went on over there in WWII.
 
No German invasion. Hitler chooses to maximise German resources for Barbarossa and leaves the Balkans alone. Mussolini might try something stupid, but judging by the Italian farce in Greece they wouldn't get very far.
 
I think there's two main things:

1. Avoid the creation of Yugoslavia in 1918 - this is going to require WWI to go in a different direction than in OTL (and probably quite significantly so).

2. If you can't avoid the creation of Yugoslavia, then avoid the absolute insanity that went on over there in WWII.

For ex-Yugoslavia, one wonder if the hate then would turn on bosniaks, or maybe albanians.. :(
 
@The Ubbergeek:

I don't really understand (Your fear about bosniak and albanian hate). Are you talking about an alternative WWI or WWII?

Either way, Bosniaks aren't in any particular danger (up till 1945, they were merely considered moslem Serbs, so the biggest threat to them is that of the assimilation).

Albanians... It really depends on the leadership of respective nations. The ruler of Albania (Essad Pasha Toptani) was actually quite friendly with the serbian leadership (of course, this is WWI).

Later... Well.

@PMN1: No go, challenge not fulfilled. :p

@Alex Richards: Won't solve anything, especially with Macedonia and Kosovo independent. Balkans include Greece and Bulgaria as well, and neither of those (nor Serbia) is about to let some of "their" territory go without a fight.
 
How about avoiding WWII and instead having Yugoslavia participate in some kind of hard, grinding war of national defense in which members of all its ethnic communities serve on the front lines alongside each other?

Maybe you could get this to happen if Hitler never rose to power and Mussolini's Italy became the largest force of expansionism and instability in Europe, eventually trying to snatch the irridenta.

The Adriatic War, a heroic defense of the Balkans against fascist aggression, could create a genuine feeling of national identity in Yugoslavia, and the friendships forged in the trenches would set the stage for decades of integrated politics.
 
rldragon;6040565@Alex Richards: Won't solve anything said:
I meant Serbia including Montenegro, Kosovo and Macedonia as OTL.

The Greeks, IIRC, were more after Southern Albania/North Epirus while Bulgaria is, I think, impossible to satisfy without the treaty of San Stephano going through, which just shifts the problem to everyone else.
 
The Central Powers win, but relatively late in the war, and after Italy entered on their side, and Austria-Hungary collapses anyway. HUngary ends up with World War II-like borders. Slovakia, and the Czech portions of Bohemia and Moravia are constituted as a kingdom. Kustenland and Carniola go to Italy. Croatia, Syrmia, and Dalmatia constitute an independent Kingdom. Herceg Novi goes to Montenegro. Serbia loses Macedonia to Bulgaria, and parts of Kosovo to Albania. Bosnia becomes an independent kingdom.
 

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Termination of the A-H empire and the non-existence of Yugoslavia would be the first things necessary to better the Balkans. Those states have to be able to develop their own economic systems, the type of which will benefit the various south slavic ethnicities individually - not a consensus between them, as that would always be seen as "going on a comprimise with those iffy other, for the purpose of keeping a state we don't particularly like together". There is no point why Croatia should experience high tarrifs in trading with Austria, just to satisfy the Serbs in Belgrade. There is also no point for Serbia to keep spending money on trying to develop Muslim Bosnia. These comprimises just instill tensions, not lower them. So for stability, a peaceful balkanization is necessary, preferably after WWI. Have Serbia annex the Serbian parts of Bosnia and Vojwodina, Croatia go independent with Dalmatia, Slovenia with access to the Adriatic, Bosnia from whatever isleft. Croatia and Slovenia would be able to be fairly prosperous if they furtherly avoid WW2. The Serbs would be in a slightly weaker spot due to no access to sea, but could still probably establish it with Germany through the balkans and France through Montenegro and the Mediterranean. Food prices were quite high in the 30's, so if the money they made from agricultural products could be invested into their own domestic industries, of the type that would be competetive with the west, they have high chances for prosperity. Croatia with Dalmatia could try and compete in naval works, constructing specialized transport ships - globalization after the 50's did require special ships for special types of trnasported good - tankers, car carriers, etc. That is a niche it could try to get.
 
The Central Powers win, but relatively late in the war, and after Italy entered on their side, and Austria-Hungary collapses anyway. HUngary ends up with World War II-like borders. Slovakia, and the Czech portions of Bohemia and Moravia are constituted as a kingdom. Kustenland and Carniola go to Italy. Croatia, Syrmia, and Dalmatia constitute an independent Kingdom. Herceg Novi goes to Montenegro. Serbia loses Macedonia to Bulgaria, and parts of Kosovo to Albania. Bosnia becomes an independent kingdom.
I don't see why Italy getting the 95% Slovenian Carniola would help the stability of the Balkans or how you would be able to keep a Serbian plurality Bosnia independent. Serbia losing Macedonia and Kosovo would indeed weaken a potential attempt to achieve Greater Serbia, but it would also make the desire to gain Bosnia and Syrmia even stronger.
The WWII borders of Hungary would be also quite unstable.
 
I don't see why Italy getting the 95% Slovenian Carniola would help the stability of the Balkans or how you would be able to keep a Serbian plurality Bosnia independent. Serbia losing Macedonia and Kosovo would indeed weaken a potential attempt to achieve Greater Serbia, but it would also make the desire to gain Bosnia and Syrmia even stronger.
The WWII borders of Hungary would be also quite unstable.

I had thought about giving all of Bosnia and Montenegro to Serbia, but I dont think that helps.
 
I had thought about giving all of Bosnia and Montenegro to Serbia, but I dont think that helps.
It avoids the creation of an extremely unstable country where the majority doesn't want the country to exists (the Croats would probably also want to join their country). It would be like today's Bosnia, but without the peace-keepers.
 
Peace In Our Time had a Balkans united in the 1930s by harrowing economic circumstances only mediated by regional cooperation (multiple-nation public corporations, if I remember correctly) and the threat of Italian, Hungarian, Soviet, and even Polish incursion, if I remember correctly. Again, IIRC, it was more like an EU with a common military and stronger federalism than an actual, unified state. On the other hand, none of this precludes the fact that several horribly destructive wars with the nearby Fascist nations still occur, so maybe it doesn't fulfill the requirements.
 
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