Challenge: The Ottoman Occupation of Alabama

In the thread discussing American soldiers evangelizing Muslims in Afghanistan, Rasputin suggested we come up with a timeline where a technologically-advanced democratic Muslim state occupies a "podunk" Christian theocracy at the foot of the Appalachians.

Here's a 20th Century scenario I came up with, although it would obviously need a MUCH earlier POD to get there:

1. Perhaps a unified Latin American uber-state governed by "Limpieza" invades the American South and tries to conquer it, but is ejected by the *Americans, who receive aid from a liberal Ottoman Empire, which was in a Cold War with said state. A unified US cannot exist in this timeline, so perhaps the Constitutional Convention fails and all the colonies go their own way, with none becoming particularly powerful and many of them becoming foreign puppets?

2. The Ottomans then lose interest as the *South falls into civil war, with Taliban-esque elements (Reconstructionists?) winning out.

3. A "Christianist" international terrorist group based in ATL Alabama kamikazes airliners into the Topkapi Palace, the Hagia Sophia Mosque, and some other targets.

4. The Ottomans invade and slag the "Reconstructionists" to widespread popular accalim.

5. However, they don't finish the job and get distracted by another, less necessary conflict, enabling the "Reconstructionists" to regroup.

So, how might we get this?
 
Tricky, very tricky. What if the Ottoman Empire stretched to Northwest Africa and became fierce competitors with the Spanish. This wouldve spurred them to explore the New World in competition with the Spanish. The Ottomans get to Mexico first, which becomes Muslim. Years pass, and its now the 1860s (here I'm diverging with your timeline for the same result), with Mexico never having rebelled like they did in OTL, due to stronger military than the Spanish of OTL. Ottoman Mexico develops good relations with the US, because the Mexico-America war never happened. When the Civil War breaks out, the Union asks their friends the Turks for help. The Ottomans and US pincer the Confederacy, creating a shorter lived Civil War than in OTL. As thanks for helping avert a catastrophe, President Lincoln lets the Ottomans keep Alabama, an area they gained strong holdings in during the war, and where they are greatly admired. Thus the Ottomans end up ruling Alabama. This could also end up changing the US's allegiance in WWI, with them wanting to help the Ottomans for both frienship and protection (an opposition in this ATL would lead to war in North America as well, something the US would want to avoid). In turn, if they helped te Ottomans in WWI, t could affect their position in WWII, and we may indeed see an Axis victory and a fascist America.
 
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Tricky, very tricky. What if the Ottoman Empire stretched to Northwest Africa and became fierce competitors with the Spanish. This wouldve spurred them to explore the New World in competition with the Spanish. The Ottomans get to Mexico first, which becomes Muslim. Years pass, and its now the 1860s (here I'm diverging with your timeline for the same result), with Mexico never having rebelled like they did in OTL, due to stronger military than the Spanish of OTL. Ottoman Mexico develops good relations with the US, because the Mexico-America war never happened. When the Civil War breaks out, the Union asks their friends the Turks for help. The Ottomans and US pincer the Confederacy, creating a shorter lived Civil War than in OTL. As thanks for helping avert a catastrophe, President Lincoln lets the Ottomans keep Alabama, an area they gained strong holdings in during the war, and where they are greatly admired. Thus the Ottomans end up ruling Alabama. This could also end up changing the US's allegiance in WWI, with them wanting to help the Ottomans for both frienship and protection (an opposition in this ATL would lead to war in North America as well, something the US would want to avoid). In turn, if they helped te Ottomans in WWI, t could affect their position in WWII, and we may indeed see an Axis victory and a fascist America.
Would the Ottomans also control Texas and Louisiana in this tl? because Alabama would be a little isolated to cede over unless they had a direct border with the state already
 
Why the hell would Lincoln(THE BUTTERFLIES! OH GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO THE BUTTERFLIES!?!?!) just hand over a US state to the Ottomans?

I don't care what timeline this is in, if you have Lincoln in it, there is just no way in hell he is going to hand over Alabama, or any other US State to the Ottomans, or anyone else, for that matter, no matter how much they may have helped the US in the ACW.
 
Why the hell would Lincoln(THE BUTTERFLIES! OH GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO THE BUTTERFLIES!?!?!) just hand over a US state to the Ottomans?

I don't care what timeline this is in, if you have Lincoln in it, there is just no way in hell he is going to hand over Alabama, or any other US State to the Ottomans, or anyone else, for that matter, no matter how much they may have helped the US in the ACW.

That's a good point, although since McKobra is new, I was trying to cut him a little slack.

I'm mostly interesting in how we get a disunited, rather stagnant US and an evil racist mega-Mexico (Lima to California at the very least, extended all the way to Alaska if you want to make them truly Draka-esque). The Ottoman decline takes place later and could be butterflied away.
 
Rough Outline:

Ottomans spread along North Africa (I like this), but at a later date. During the late 1800s, because Spain and Ottomans have been rivals, the Spanish overseas holdings revolt earlier than OTL.

With the Civil War in the offing, and Cuba/Puerto Rico in revolution (nevermind Mexico and the rest), the Spanish-American War is semi-merged with the American Civil War.

The US send troops to Puerto Rico and Cuba, as to the Confederates, fighting there is highly partisan, with beheadings and general guerilla tactics.

The Ottomans, looking for a stepping stone in the Atlantic to pounce on other Spanish and ex-Spanish holdings sends a fleet to Cuba. Over the next couple of years, Confederate partisans continue a running war with the Ottomans who formally annex the island, against the wishes of the US, but with the US fighting the Confederates, they can't back up their mouth, especially since the Ottomans have a small navy of ironclads in Santiago Harbor.

Due to the Ottomans declaring war on the CSA, in response to arms smuggling and whatnot, this de facto recognition of a rebelious state angers the US further. Spain, to spit in the eye of their rivals, the Ottomans, verbally support the CSA, without military support. This also recognizes the CSA, still embroiled in a fight. With these leads, France and Britain also recognize the CSA, forcing the USA to back down.

The Ottomans keep their caribbean islands, though the Confederates still claim legitmacy over Cuba, and continued terrorist attacks follow over the next several years. The White Supremacist League regards the Ottoman presense and "occupation," though they are ignored as being racist against Arabs and the Cubanos they supposedly support. The Christian-influenced, Alabama-based Hand of Righteousness vehemently argues in favor of invasion, but settles for the mistreatment, murder, and deportation of jews and muslims in the Confederacy, often through extrajudicial "courts."

Over the years, with the CSA agricultural economy in recession doldrums, ideological groups begin to rise with the dispossessed. More frequent and deadly attacks against Islamic targets in Cuba, and as technology grows, in Turkey and other areas of the Middle East. These movements spark other terrorist cells around the world. As this network of terrorists continue attacks on Ottoman interests, the Hand of Righteousness assassinates the Emir of Cuba. With the greater autonomy inherent in the CSA regarding state's rights, the Alabama legislature (controlled by White Supremacists and members of HoR) declares war on the Ottomans of the Western Hemisphere.

With the rest of the CSA in turmoil, or looking the other way, no Confederates come to their aid. The Ottomans land in Mobile Bay, and quickly secure the southern half of the state. As the fighting moves north, the southern tip of the Appalachains begin to claim more and more Ottoman lives, as guerilla raiders strike from hidden camps, aided by swift-moving four-wheel drive vehicles, ATVs, and so forth. With nearly every Confederate prideful in bearing arms, numerous partisan units spring up in Ottoman-held territory and the fighting continues.

Blahblahblah...

And...?
 
I think a far easier POD is to just have A) The Ottoman Empire survive and B) The Confedarcy win the ACW and break away. Now we fast forward to the later part of the twenieth century, and we have a world with a UN type organization with the reformed Ottoman Empire still around, while the Confedaracy is falling into disarray. The USA and CSA have grown apart over a hundred years, and the CSA begins to collapse, with an almost race war breaking out spurred on by radical white supremecists. The USA asks the UN to intevene, and the Ottoman Empire sends a good number of soldiers to help in the USA lead UN invasion of the Confedarcy. Then you have Ottoman troops occuping Alabama.
 
Interesting scenarios all.

For the min-TL I posted, any ideas on how we could get a racist mega-Mexico (limpieza and all)?

Lets see. What if the POD was the Spanish never conquering Mexico, but being expelled by an allegiance of Mayan and Aztec Empires, which reached greater expanses and had shared borders. This alliance would create a sort of mega-empire - as the cultures begin to accept each other as kin - stretching across Central America and into part of South America. When America is formed and begins to develop, several wars are led against the new mega-Mexico to attempt to conquer it. The Americans begin stealing large chunks of Northern Mexico. Meanwhile, a Spanish dominated South America begins nipping at Southern Mega-Mexico. They become fearful of all foreigners, and end up becoming extremely racist. They then begin a full assault against Spanish South America, conquering all the way down to Central Brazil and North Chile. Thus we have a huge, racist Mexican empire.:D
 
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