I'm not so convinced that this ends up destroying England.
Consider the fate of Austria and Spain under the Habsburgs, or Spain and the Netherlands. The Spanish ended up surviving, no?
England will be more centralized than France; it has nobility who are not as capable as telling the king of sodding off in the way the, say, Armagnacs can. As such, the English will still play a major role.
I'm not so convinced that this ends up destroying England.
Consider the fate of Austria and Spain under the Habsburgs, or Spain and the Netherlands. The Spanish ended up surviving, no?
England will be more centralized than France; it has nobility who are not as capable as telling the king of sodding off in the way the, say, Armagnacs can. As such, the English will still play a major role.
Well no I dont think it would destroy England. The Norman Conquest caused such major cultural shifts because basically the entire nobility was replaced. Same reason why the Cathars Crusade killed Occitanian. This wouldnt happen if England wins the 100YW. However, the united state would still be primarily France.
Of course that also means that once national awakening comes, the state is prone to break up...
Butterflies will help delay that. What if the two cultures rub on eachother, and we see a Latinised English and a Saxonised French as dialects of a single Franglish Language?Of course that also means that once national awakening comes, the state is prone to break up...
Butterflies will help delay that. What if the two cultures rub on eachother, and we see a Latinised English and a Saxonised French as dialects of a single Franglish Language?
Butterflies will help delay that. What if the two cultures rub on eachother, and we see a Latinised English and a Saxonised French as dialects of a single Franglish Language?
I don't think it would be that clear-cut and obvious; a lot of it depends on the power dynamics. If the nobility remains chiefly English, the military remains dominated by English customs and leaders, and the royal family remains in England, then this empire will likely will be more centred on England.and that given that we only caught up with France in population terms pretty recently, a joint-state is likley going to be French-centred.
I don't think it would be that clear-cut and obvious; a lot of it depends on the power dynamics. If the nobility remains chiefly English, the military remains dominated by English customs and leaders, and the royal family remains in England, then this empire will likely will be more centred on England.
Think of this way: was the British Empire centred and based in India even though it had a much higher population than the British Isles?
I guess, but till 1848, Hungarians were more of a dominated people rather than on equal standing with the Austrians. French and English would meld and merge more, IMO.Its certainly possible, but I wouldnt bet on it. How much was Austrian German hungarified IOTL? The answer is "not a single bit". Granted, Hungarian is not Indo-European and a comparatively small language, but the Habsburg Empire can still be used as comparative case: I think we can expect French to gain (even more) ground in England, by the nobility, the administrtaion and also the general upper class - but if there is a national awakening, thats also easily shrugged off again for the local/"native" language.
I guess, but till 1848, Hungarians were more of a dominated people rather than on equal standing with the Austrians. French and English would meld and merge more, IMO.
Thing is, the "English" nobility remained, in the 1300s at least, essentially French. If India had been conquered by an island ruled by a Hindi-speaking elite class, your analogy would be rather upset.
Of course, Henry V was the first king to use English in personal correspondence. Since I think Henry V is probably the monarch who came closest to ending up King....
It's not a guarantee, but given sponsorship from a more distance power than France which rivals the Anglo-French state, Scotland might be in a better position to last, so long as Anglo-France has credible naval rivals.
Your point is a good one. In this scenario, maybe English really would be resigned to obscurity...Well, once the English and French King sits in Paris, what do you think will be the status of England and most especially the English language, hm?Especially as the latter already was the by far less prestigeous language as is, since French was at that time and for centuries to come the most prestigeous living language of Europe.
Your point is a good one. In this scenario, maybe English really would be resigned to obscurity...![]()
Your point is a good one. In this scenario, maybe English really would be resigned to obscurity...![]()