With a POD of 1945, stabilize the country politically. Bonus points for relations with Israel.
.... Dude, what the fuck?Off the top of my head, the easiest way would be to kick Shiites out. It were wombs of Shia women, producing far more kids per womb than Druze or Maronite ladies did, which upset that fragile applecart of Lebanon's society. Maronites and Druzes have a history of feuds between themselves too, but demography wouldn't change drastically, so they would continue their co-existense. So, how about little ethnic cleansing sometime after 1948? This Maronite-Druze alt-Lebanon would be deeply unloved by it's Muslim neighbours, so an alliance with Israel would be a natural step.
Look, not that advocate for or support such solution, but OP asked for a way to make stable Lebanon, not for a way which does not violate basic principles of humanity..... Dude, what the fuck?
That you immediatly went to ethnic cleansing as the possiblity you stated was a little jarring.Look, not that I advocate for or support such solution, but OP asked for a way to make stable Lebanon, not for a way which does not violate basic principles of humanity.
Not I'm saying that this is the sole possibility.
But for the OP this is something I've given some thought, and I've wondered about the Swiss Canton model. Why not use that?
Sure. The French would make it work.Is there any reason to suppose that it would work?
Nope.Is there any experience with that kind of government style in Lebannon or anywhere around?
The French would try it. They divided up Syria into several governates, no reason they wouldn't subdivide the subdivision of Lebanon.It's certainly the best-case scenario, but is it the most likely?
The French would try it. They divided up Syria into several governates, no reason they wouldn't subdivide the subdivision of Lebanon.
Sure. Internal forces, the Syrians, the Allies perhaps, the Axis....Would there be forces trying to pull the cantons apart later on?
That you immediatly went to ethnic cleansing as the possiblity you stated was a little jarring.
But for the OP this is something I've given some thought, and I've wondered about the Swiss Canton model. Why not use that?
Buddy, if this kind of game makes you uneasy, you've picked the wrong place to hang out. Every second thread here is aimed at finding PODs to rob the country I'd been born and raised in (x-USSR) of several millions people by killing them in most inhumane fashion (I mean all those "Germany won WWII" or "longer WWII on Eastern Front" threads), and you don't see me throwing fits around, do you?That you immediatly went to ethnic cleansing as the possiblity you stated was a little jarring.
Yes, because ethnic cleansing should immediatly be the first thing to be posted, and in such a calm fashion.Buddy, if this kind of game makes you uneasy, you've picked the wrong place to hang out.
You're from where exactly?Every second thread here is aimed at finding PODs to rob the country I'd been born and raised in (x-USSR) of several millions people by killing them in most inhumane fashion (I mean all those "Germany won WWII" or "longer WWII on Eastern Front" threads), and you don't see me throwing fits around, do you?
Buddy, if this kind of game makes you uneasy, you've picked the wrong place to hang out. Every second thread here is aimed at finding PODs to rob the country I'd been born and raised in (x-USSR) of several millions people by killing them in most inhumane fashion (I mean all those "Germany won WWII" or "longer WWII on Eastern Front" threads), and you don't see me throwing fits around, do you?
He's russian. (it says that in his post.)You're from where exactly?![]()
And to be fair, he is right about the large number of threads which screw over russia (although the number is rather exaggerated).
Ah. He does have a point that WI concerning the Nazi's extending the war do fuck over and massacre more Russians, but I doubt their designed with the intention that more Russians be killed. Its either the long-term effects miltarily or to see if it makes a difference in the post-war world. And how many are made by noobs who can only think of this or the Confederacy as AH?He's russian. (it says that in his post.)
Look, I didn't suggest cleaning Shias out of Lebanon just for the sheer fun of doing it. It was just a cruel and inhumane mean to the end OP wanted (stable Lebanon). Exploring possible consequences, as you've said. And let's be truthful here, percentage-wise most cruel Middle Eastern ethnic cleansing doesn't hold candle to what Nazis did in USSR (how does 25% of Belarussian population being killed, not merely cleansed, in 3 years, sound). I do doubt that worst case scenario of Lebanese ethnic cleansing would cause more than single-digit mortality among Shiites, which makes it almost charitable act comparing to Belarus in 1941-1944.I doubt their designed with the intention that more Russians be killed.
Look, I didn't suggest cleaning Shias out of Lebanon just for the sheer fun of doing it. It was just a cruel and inhumane mean to the end OP wanted (stable Lebanon). Exploring possible consequences, as you've said.
And let's be truthful here, percentage-wise most cruel Middle Eastern ethnic cleansing doesn't hold candle to what Nazis did in USSR (how does 25% of Belarussian population being killed, not merely cleansed, in 3 years, sound). I do doubt that worst case scenario of Lebanese ethnic cleansing would cause more than single-digit mortality among Shiites, which makes it almost charitable act comparing to Belarus in 1941-1944.
Multiconfessional government with outlook changing after each elections. This is almost ASB, but not completely so, as people would most vote confessional in this setup, so government's makeup would reflect slowly changing numbers of each community. Cantonal idea, IMHO, is stillborn, as you need certain pattern of settlement for cantons, which isn't present in Lebanon (you need regions with clear ethnic domination, not a mosaic of villages). May be some kind of old Osman millet system (or what they proposed for Bosnia) would work, with communities electing their own judges and assembly of representatives, with assemblies then picking federal executives.Okay, any other scenarios though?
Frankly speaking, I don't appreciate nervous comments about myself approving ethnic cleansings, genocides or Allmighty knows what. I think we can leave this affair behind.I'm not sure how far this comparison goes in terms of usefulness, except to remind Hash that unpleasant scenarios are part of the way this board works?