Challenge: St Petersborg

Your challenge, should you choose to accept it, is to bring Ingria (including St Petersburg) back under Swedish rule by 1800 with a POD after the Treaty of Nystad.
 
Sweden can't win on it's own against Russia. Sweden need to be on the winning side of a napoleon-esque, which I guess could occur before 1800...
 
I don't see why that would be necessary, they just need strong allies.
But what allies? Russia needs to lose real big. Napoleon is the only possible ally I can come up with...

But do you have another idea?

Edit: St. Petersborg was a good idea! Though the name probably would be changed
 
But what allies? Russia needs to lose real big. Napoleon is the only possible ally I can come up with...

But do you have another idea?

The basic diplomatic dance of European powers should do the trick. You look at the 18th century, you see Austria nearly getting KO'd early out of the War of Spanish Succession, France barely avoiding disaster in the later stage of the aforementioned conflict and then experiencing it during the 7 Years' War, Sweden ceasing to be a Great Power after the Great Northern War, Prussia nearly dismembered in the 7YW, and Britain thrown off its pedestal during the American Revolutionary War. There's nothing stopping Russia from experiencing a catastrophic defeat if they compile the right list of enemies.
 

Maur

Banned
The basic diplomatic dance of European powers should do the trick. You look at the 18th century, you see Austria nearly getting KO'd early out of the War of Spanish Succession, France barely avoiding disaster in the later stage of the aforementioned conflict and then experiencing it during the 7 Years' War, Sweden ceasing to be a Great Power after the Great Northern War, Prussia nearly dismembered in the 7YW, and Britain thrown off its pedestal during the American Revolutionary War. There's nothing stopping Russia from experiencing a catastrophic defeat if they compile the right list of enemies.
The problem with that is that Russia don't have real enemies that could threaten it's core territory. PLC doesn't count anymore, Khanates don't exist for centuries, Ottomans are too far away and Sweden is out, too.
 
Sweden+France+Prussia+Ottoman Empire = total Russian lose.
Napoleon doesn't have enough time to rise to such power power until 1800.
You can take out any of the above for Austria, altrough I do accapt they are in a problomatic situation to go to war against Russia.
But what the POD will be?
 
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Maur

Banned
Chrissakes, I meant put them in Polish and Swedish territory and attack Russia from there.
That's weird, because Karelia isn't Swedish and Courland Polish (well, you could argue for the later). Happy marching to Zalesye, upper Dnieper and Volga from there :p

When did I ask for that?
In the post #5, with Russia possibly experiencing such crushing defeat that Prussia, Austria, and Sweden faced at the time (France was in similar position to Russia. No one is going to take enough from it for France stopping being great power)
 
That's weird, because Karelia isn't Swedish and Courland Polish (well, you could argue for the later). Happy marching to Zalesye, upper Dnieper and Volga from there :p

Part of Karelia remained Swedish after Nystad and even after Abo. Courland was under Polish suzerainty. I only need them to march on St Petersburg.

In the post #5, with Russia possibly experiencing such crushing defeat that Prussia, Austria, and Sweden faced at the time (France was in similar position to Russia. No one is going to take enough from it for France stopping being great power)

I asked for a great defeat, which is what it would take to get them out of St Petersburg, not dismemberment.

Now stop wasting my goddamn time!
 
I remember a timeline I cooperated in where Catherine's coup fails and Peter goes to war with Denmark over Schleswig and fails badly. He's deposed and Russia descends into civil war and Sweden takes the oppurtunity to get back what has been lost. In such a scenario, Sweden might take Saint Petersburg and get it in a peace as the Imperial Guard takes Ivan to Moscow to get some kind of government.
 

Valdemar II

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I remember a timeline I cooperated in where Catherine's coup fails and Peter goes to war with Denmark over Schleswig and fails badly. He's deposed and Russia descends into civil war and Sweden takes the oppurtunity to get back what has been lost. In such a scenario, Sweden might take Saint Petersburg and get it in a peace as the Imperial Guard takes Ivan to Moscow to get some kind of government.

It was Arctic Warrior's Karl Peter Ulrich's War! .
 
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