challenge:sinified europe

If by "Sinified", you mean "Like China", then just have the great Chinese fleets of the 15th century contact Europe and gain submission from European princes. Eventually, China establishes colonies and trading posts in Europe, gradually "sinifying" Europe.
 
If by "Sinified", you mean "Like China", then just have the great Chinese fleets of the 15th century contact Europe and gain submission from European princes. Eventually, China establishes colonies and trading posts in Europe, gradually "sinifying" Europe.

Can you tell me why the Chinese would establish colonies in Europe? There is no reason for them to do so. There is hardly anything interesting in Europe to get, no sugar, no spices, thea, coffee, silk, cotton, chocolate, tabacco or other good reasons to trade with Europe. There is nothing in Europe China (or other countries) would want. And at least in northern Europe the climate is pretty bad and there are too many people living there, so there is no reason for china to establish settlement colonies in Europe. Also Europe doesn't have any strategic location the Chinese could use. I don't think it is likely that the Chinese (or anyone else for that matter) establish colonies in Europe.
 
Seems far fetched. Perhaps if the Yuan dynasty was more successful and managed to bring the Golden Horde under its control, thus taking Chinese bureaucrats to the European end of the empire?

Even so, Europe had sophisticated cultural identity by the Middle Ages, it might be influenced in such way, but its unlikely to be "Sinified".

The only era when Europe was suspetible would be during the Dark Ages. Perhaps if the Tang dynasty expanded its frontiers to Europe. That's hard to see though.
 
Seems far fetched. Perhaps if the Yuan dynasty was more successful and managed to bring the Golden Horde under its control, thus taking Chinese bureaucrats to the European end of the empire?

Even so, Europe had sophisticated cultural identity by the Middle Ages, it might be influenced in such way, but its unlikely to be "Sinified".

The only era when Europe was suspetible would be during the Dark Ages. Perhaps if the Tang dynasty expanded its frontiers to Europe. That's hard to see though.

yes,during the dark ages.
 
How is this possible.

2 possibilities. 1) The chinese manage to have an scientific/industrial revolution first and basically become a world power. Europe is either invaded by rail along the OTL silk road and/or by iron steamships (against wooden sail ships).

2) Somewhere around 500 BC a chinese ship (or group of them) get blown WAY off course and land in North America somewhere. The men all marry local girls, make them selves rulers of e.g. the Pacific Northwest. They introduce writing, the Chinese language, poetry, iron weapons, disciplined armies. A generation later, they make organized contact with their old homeland, and a trickle of colonization follows.

Disgruntled generals/ousted 'emperor's etc. flee, and set up their own realms else where in North America. By, oh, say, 500 AD one of them is on the east coast of North America, and decides to send ships out to explore. Dark Ages Europe, is overwhelmed by the more advanced Sinic culture (it won't be OTL's chinese anymore, but will definitely be a direct continuation).


There - two scenarios for the price of one (namely free!)
 
Well if we use colonise to mean take control and run for the benefit of the originating state rather than say colonising meaning large scale population settlement that intends to supplant the indigenous population then just find some sort of POD where China does to Europe what Europe did to South Asia or South East Asia. Take over but largely rely on indigenous soliders or administrators, then impose Chinese language as culture/model for organisation. So a couple of centuries later you have large states or countries that while they might be independent extensively use Chinese language, culture or organisational models
 

mojojojo

Gone Fishin'
Well if we use colonise to mean take control and run for the benefit of the originating state rather than say colonising meaning settlement then just find some sort of POD where China does to Europe what Europe did to South Asia or South East Asia. Take over but largely rely on indigenous soliders or administrators, then impose Chinese language as culture/model for organisation. So a couple of centuries later you have large states or countries that while they might be independent extensively use Chinese language, culture or organisational models
Would Europe still be Christian? Would Chinese religions spread through Europe? If the population was still Christian how would they react to having pagan (to their eyes) overloards?
 
Would Europe still be Christian? Would Chinese religions spread through Europe? If the population was still Christian how would they react to having pagan (to their eyes) overloards?


Well I suspect it would make for a more humble Christianity, but I don't see why it wouldn't be possible, if the Europeans managed it in Asia, without managing to implant Christianity. The Philipines is the only state that was substantially Christianised in this period and the current sucess of Christianity in E Asia appears to be largely post War/Independence.

My thoughts are that where you have a strong, organised culture or society the pre existing religion has a much higher chance of cultural survival. Especially if the conquoror cannot swamp the locals demographically
 

mojojojo

Gone Fishin'
Well I suspect it would make for a more humble Christianity, but I don't see why it wouldn't be possible, if the Europeans managed it in Asia, without managing to implant Christianity. The Philipines is the only state that was substantially Christianised in this period and the current sucess of Christianity in E Asia appears to be largely post War/Independence.

My thoughts are that where you have a strong, organised culture or society the pre existing religion has a much higher chance of cultural survival. Especially if the conquoror cannot swamp the locals demographically
What would Christianity be like in this TL?
 
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